Mr. Narayan, noted.
Firstly, i realise that your statement has been made in good faith, and it is not certainly a voice of a rightist.

Agree that warped interpretation can lead to absurd deductions – it also could be said for all religious texts.

Agree with your point about ‘esoteric symbolism of religious scriptures being not easily understood’. However, i’m of the opinion these are not above criticism or being talked about in a light-hearted manner, so long as the intention is not to hurt someone else’s sentiments. I also believe that many followers of (all) religions tend to get agitated far too easily on the slightest of pretexts, compounded by the fact that we live in a world where views get passed around in real-time. It would have been comical were it not for the implications of it, especially with the growth of right-wingers among all religions and the deadly mix of politics and religion. Arguments need to be countered by a better set of arguments; lack of understanding should be countered by providing understanding.

Again agree that one of the great strengths of Hinduism has been its lack of dogmatism; even monotheistic religions emphasise charting out one’s own spiritual path – but given the surcharged times that we live in and the fundamentalism of the followers of these religions, this message gets lost.

The one area of disagreement is the contentious dating. Hinduism is certainly one of the oldest of philosophical thoughts, but how one can say that it preceded – by a substantial period of time – every other stream of faith (e.g., Judaism or the non-organised beliefs of tribals, adivasis, natives, aboriginals), i’m not sure.
Regards.
p.s.
You could check out this link: http://www.frontlineonnet.com/stories/20120518290907800.htm. Although it is not a critique, the existence of such a varied thought was interesting.

Mr. Santosh, sorry if my comments sounded a bit harsh. You have every right to disagree with my comments and I have no problems with a healthy debate. The point I was trying to make is that warped interpretatation of texts can lead to absurd deductions like the Bhagavad Gita's message is nothing more than an exhortation to kill.

The esoteric symbolism of religious scriptures are not easily understood and facile comments like accusing Lord Rama of wrongdoing, even if done in a "light-hearted" manner. I am in total agreement that nobody becomes an expert in his religion by virtue of his birth and that a non-adherent might have a far better understanding than an uninitiated adherent. May I also point out that neither Hinduism has never claimed to be the exclusively path to salvation; hence the question of claiming superiority over other religions does not arise. Hinduism recognises the fact that every individual must chart out his own spiritual path and there is no tailor made path for one and all. 

Regarding the levels of philosophical thought achieved by the vedic rishis, I will stand by my statement that the rest of humanity was in the stone age, at least in the philosophical sense. Remember that Buddhism is about 2600 years old and by then Hindu philosophical thought had already peaked.

Thanks for the link provided by you. Incidentally, I too have made certain comments(# 12 and 14) on the same topic.

Mr. Narayan, noted and disagree.

If it is your contention that Lord Rama was not wrong (no action is right or wrong … any action is determined by its dharmic context), i’ve got no issues with that. It is part of your belief.

My issue is with the manner in which you’ve picked a random sentence from my comment, which was essentially light-hearted, and used it to make an argument to try and put me on the defensive. My earlier comment read in its entirety should have created no confusion. There was no disrespect or even an attempt at it.

I also find your statement ‘when the rest of humanity … in the stone age’ to be hugely problematic. Again, my objection is not with your belief or the contentious dating, but with wordings’ implication that the readers and followers of the Ramayana (and by extension Hindu thought) are most superior because their ancestors were spiritually guided and sustained by this holy book for centuries while the rest of humanity were still living in the stone age. Is this gamesmanship factually sustainable or necessary? Much grief has come about due to it, and the followers of all religions are equally guilty. I believe that the Ramayana, the Koran, the Torah and all the rest showcase the highest aspirations of humans and are marvels of literature (human, or divine, if that is belief) and these really belong to all of us. And for the record, i love the Ramayana and Mahabharata ever since i (like many others) heard its stories while very young and subsequently got to read CR’s version. I admit my understanding about these scriptures might be very limited, but my initial comment should not have been construed as an extension of this limitation or my right to make a comment because i happen to belong to another religion. That is objectionable.

It is this in this light that i reject your argument.
p.s.
I wrote earlier (on a slightly different topic). You might find this link interesting. (http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.aspx?ddm=10&pid=2636&eid=#iframetimelinechronologicalmainpostname). See comments 11, 114 and 118.

@ Santosh John Samuel (# 82):

I strongly object to your comment that Lord Rama was "wrong". According to Hindu philosophy, no action is right or wrong in isolation; the righteousness of any action is determined by its dharmic context. The Ramayana has been a source of spiritual guidance and sustenance for our ancestors for centuries when the rest of humanity were still living in the stone age.

This is not the place to discuss such matters so I shall not elaborate further. Suffice to say that people with limited understanding of Hinduism should refrain from making such uninformed comments. 

Yhwh & Anwaar,

Can you repost whatever you wrote so I can understand why all the posts are removed? Mine wasn't offensive was it and it dealt with myth. May be too rambling.

1.  " ... is thorougly stripped and exposed"

2.  "...  is standing tall"

In view of 1, it is better to sit.

Irreverent,

>>>> "The army was ready and waiting in Jabalpur, but did not get called until the next day. " - >> Then, who were those who did the flag marches on Feb 28th late morning?

"On 1 March the Indian government dispatched around 1,000 paramilitary personnel to Gujarat." (The Hindu). It was also reported that many of these flag marches were in areas which were peaceful to start with, thanks to the Gujarat government officials.

Satyashetty,

>> Teesta Stalvad is thorougly stripped and exposed

She is standing tall. The Supreme Court has snubbed the Government of Gujarat twice for harrassing her.

"BJP Should Dump Modi as Ram Deserted Sita." This Congress statement is completely unacceptable.

It assumes that (1) Sita is the person who committed the error (she did not) and (2) Ram was right in treating Sita the way he did (he was not).

It further allows readers to vaguely see (1) Mr. Modi is Sita (i'm surprised people did not find this comparison odious) and (2) the BJP being Ram (it is as true as Bush being Christ).

I would much rather prefer that the people of Gujarat realise genuine Ram bhakti in themselves, realise that they have been blinded by a rule of the asuras for many years, and take steps to establish Ram Rajya.

That would be nice.

First, let me point out a major error; Lord Rama DID NOT DUMP Sita Devi; he merely wanted her to undergo an agni preeksha (trial by fire) to demonstrate to the lay persons of her purity.

In the political context, the agni pareeksha is contesting an election. The Congress always brags about how their electoral victories prove that the people have shown that the people reject the various charges of corruption and malfeasance brought against them. Modi has won elections time and again; how many more agni pareekshas do you expect him to undego? Stop flogging a dead horse and move ahead.

what ever i said in post 79/D-33 relates to what a leading news channel which now claims as 24X7 in its late evening breaking news came up with shocking revelations that they have evidence to prove that the carnage in the morning at Godhra was a revenge attack by the Muslims and led none other than by a local congress corporator who very smarly disappeared after the mission.

Its ridiculous of then  anchor who broke that news  and who is now a leading editor of another TV news channel who are a part of a leading American news media was coming up with a special programme calling it as visiting gujarat after a decade of the riots and not the Godhra carnage interviewing only the victims from the Muslim families while forgetting to show to the world the plight of the kiths and kins of those burnt alive on the train at Goodhra.this is the secularism these vested interests practice and some one else paying the price.

>> "The army was ready and waiting in Jabalpur, but did not get called until the next day. " - Anwaar

Then, who were those who did the flag marches on Feb 28th late morning?
The Irreverent Indian
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where was the army when the congressmen which included its Muslim members as well were slaughtering the innocent Sikhs at Delhi in 1984.

The army being in station havent we seen how the pro pakistani and ISI backed separatists/terrorists in the  Kashmiri Muslims brutually killing the minority Hindus.Sikhs and the migrant workers.But Hindus or others never complained of any victimhood unllike the Muslims of Gujarat.

when an army of a thousand armed Muslim thugs were marching towards the Godhra station why no Muslim leaders particualry belonging to the congress who claim to be the champions of secularism did not stop their people or informed the police.

calling army is a political decision and more than the muslims complaining now that the army wasnt called earlier it would be appropriate for them to have stopped thier own army on that fateful day.

Indian,Bangalore,

Teesta Stalvad is thorougly stripped and exposed by the supreme court and her own associates.Now she dosent talks abt bilkis bano or the best bakery.Her NGO is suspicous one and under surveilence.

Its media who are giving importance to Teesta in order to please thier masters in the congress.

>> "The army was ready and waiting in Jabalpur, but did not get called until the next day. " - Anwaar

Then, who were those who did the flag marches on Feb 28th late morning?

 teesta must be exposed!

>> ask the victims of the riots

Do we have any who have not been tutored by Teesta?

", ask the victims of the riots instead of checking Modi's logs,"

You mean Teesta has decided who the riot victoms are and what they have to say ?

Correction to post # 62:

I meant Jodhpur, not Jabalpur. ('the air force had 13 transport aircraft fuelled and ready at Jodhpur").

Satyashetty,

>>  conclusively proved by the Apex court.

It has not even reached the Gujarat High Court yet.

>>  the culprits who worked overtime under the funding and training and motivation from people across the border.

Not a shred of evidence to that effect has been presented yet. Do you just make these things up!

>> the people who set ablaze the train at Godhra.

They have been convicted, sentenced and are awaiting appeals. We are now talking about Modi's allegedly being complicit in the massacre that followed.

>> their protest against that ghastly incident could have softened the heat that generated.

This is just rubbish.

>> The Muslim community if wished had enough time could have averted the planned attack at Godhra.

More rubbish! Let us be realistic when discussing these issues.

>> The community could have informed the police of this plot.

The two supposed leaders of the plot were acquitted by the court! Let the appeal process decide whether it was a plot or not.

"If you want to know about the delays in police and army coming to riot areas, ask the victims of the riots instead of checking Modi's logs, which is what Raghavan did."

Yeah, like Justice Banerjee did when he concluded that the fire was an accident!, right?

Irreverent,

>> you mean to say that the army was also complicit in the "go slow" tactics.

The army was ready and  waiting in Jabalpur, but did not get called until the next day. If you want to know about the delays in police and army coming to riot areas, ask the victims of the riots instead of checking Modi's logs, which is what Raghavan did.

Those Jihadi sympathiser should to task a leading TV news channel whose anchor is now an editor of another news channel calimed in the late evening breaking news that they have evidence to prove that Godhra carnage was a revenge attack by the local Muslims who were avenging upon the Kar sevaks who its alleged shouted objectionable slogans against the Muslim at Godhra on thier way to Ayodhya and the Muslims at Godhra were waiting for thiere return only to see what the whole world has seen.It even reported hat a Local congress corporator who is a Muslim lead the gang that stopped,stoned,torched and attacked that particual bogey carrying the Kar sevaks,

I want to ask all the secularists why they are tight lipped and why the media which broke the news did not depose before the comminsion of inquiries.

>> They took their own sweet time

Rascals!

How dare they claim that they acted promptly? Don't they know there are three days between Feb 28th and Mar 1st? Every secular calendar in the world says so. Whoever disagrees is a Sanghi AND a Zionist, watches only Fox News and has read only Savarkar or Hitler.

The entire talk of Mar 1 following Feb 28 is a giant Sanghi/Zionist conspiracy.

>> "They took their own sweet time! The whole scenario of "rapid" police and army response is a tissue of lies generated by the Gujarat government over the past several years." - Anwaar

If the debate is still over the godhra or the riots that followed it then some people who hate Modi and defend those Jihadis who torched the train and later conclusively proved by the Apex court and the culprits who worked overtime under the funding and training and motivation from people across the border have lot to explain.

the people who set ablaze the train at Godhra had ample time to conspire that gruesome day light murder of innocent Hindus.I dont want to call it as any sweet time as nothing is sweet those people for whom there is no value of human lives belonging to other faiths.

If it was an accident why the Muslims at Godhra and elsewhere were tight lipped.their protest against that ghastly incident could have softened the heat that generated.now its evident after the convictions of the Godhra culprits that the Muslim community deliberately maintained silence then and doing it even now while taking full liberty to speak over the riots.

The Muslim community if wished had enough time could have averted the planned attack at Godhra as its reported that such a tiny railway station as Godhra never seen a armed gang of thugs over a thousand early in the morning waiting to torch the train.The community could have informed the police of this plot.but they didnt.
rest is history.

"They took their own sweet time!"

And the "sweet time" was 24 hours and not 3 days as some liars have been propagating for the past 10 years!!

>> "They took their own sweet time! The whole scenario of "rapid" police and army response is a tissue of lies generated by the Gujarat government over the past several years." - Anwaar

Hmmm... so, you mean to say that the army was also complicit in the "go slow" tactics. The army is on records saying that there was no delay in deployment (SIT Report). Which implies that they also took their "own sweet time"? Very interesting!!

But, we must thank the large-heartedness of the sickulars for not dragging the army in their propaganda war. Such little merices are indeed appreciated.

>>> The whole scenario of "rapid" police and army response is a tissue of lies generated by the Gujarat government over the past several years

The resident jihadi continues to repeat the same lie a 1000 times assuming it will somehow become truth

He first proclaimed here that Modi gave the hindu rioters 3 days to vent their anger against Muslims between February 28th & March 1st of 2002 , when Army & Police were deployed.

But his madrasa teacher did not know that February 2002 Has only 28 days & March 1st happens to be te next day to 28th. So our resident jihadi never knew that he is makingh a fool of himself by making such stupid statements. There is no 3 day gap between February 28th & March 1st of 2002 .

He was solidly kicked on his backside for this lie by every one here  some time ago,,but being the shameless liar thah he is , he is back repeating same old story !!

@ Anwaar

>> "It is a matter of shame as well as concern that someone whom so many consider to be responsible for a massacre of Muslims is not only unbeatable in Gujarat elections, but is the favorite candidate of charlatans like you to be the next PM. "

Please spare us this emotional atyachaar!! It is funny that a rabid defender of Jihadi terrorists talks about 'shame' and 'concern'. Gujarat 2002 had not happened if a train coach had not met with a 'fire accident'. You get the point?

Now, look at the positives. After 2002, no other train coach ever got razed by a 'fire accident'. The kar sevaks have also stopped their acts of 'self combustion'. After Kandhamal, no Hindu saint has been killed in the jungles. People must uderstand that beyond a point, Hindus will retaliate. And, hit back hard. The days of the Mughals and British are over. Period. In fact, they must be thankful to Modi for bringing the riots under control with limited damage. 

Many believe that your aakas in the Congress are the most communal, casteist and corrupt party. But, they all accept that Congress has the mandate to (mis)rule. Instead of launching witch-hunts and conspiracy propagandas, they are waiting for the next round of ballots. Jokers like you should also do the same. Good luck!!

>> "They know in their hearts that Modi did give an illegal order to the police on the night of February 27, 2002."

And, the police went out and started firing at the Hindus!! Bloody buffoons!! I always said that the police is stupid. You confirmed it!! Did he ask for similar favours from the army? Or, were those Sanghis in army and RAF/CRPF fatigues, who did the flag marches and riot controls? 

>> It is a matter of shame as well as concern that someone whom so many consider to be responsible for a massacre of Muslims is not only unbeatable in Gujarat elections, but is the favorite candidate of charlatans like you to be the next PM. Even most of his supporters do not think he is innocent. They know in their hearts that Modi did give an illegal order to the police on the night of February 27, 2002. They only hope and pray that the well-orchestrated cover-up does not collapse. They do not want him exposed and punished.

It is a matter of shame as well as concern that someone who presided over the biggest post partition massacre, later brazenly justified it, and gave plum postings to his henchmen, not only became the PM, but is considered an icon by anti national jehadis like you. He went on to earn the Bharat Ratna, and the party that still swears by this mass murderer's name, formed multiple govts, with his wife and progeny ruling the country, just for being related to him.

Even most of his supporters do not think he is innocent. They know in their hearts that Rajiv ordered and orchestrated the massacre of innocents, and later covered up his crimes. They only hope and pray that the well-orchestrated cover-up does not collapse. They do not want him exposed.

>> It is a matter of shame as well as concern that someone whom so many consider to be responsible for a massacre of Muslims is not only unbeatable in Gujarat elections, but is the favorite candidate of charlatans like you to be the next PM. Even most of his supporters do not think he is innocent. They know in their hearts that Modi did give an illegal order to the police on the night of February 27, 2002. They only hope and pray that the well-orchestrated cover-up does not collapse. They do not want him exposed and punished.

It is a matter of shame as well as concern that someone whom so many consider to have presided over the most corrupt govt in our independent history, and who presided over the murder of democracy by bribing MPs is called clean and honest by anti nationals and jehadis like you. Even most of his supporters know that he is a crook. They know in their hearts that he bribed MPs and looted the country. They only hope and pray that the well-orchestrated cover-up does not collapse. They do not want him exposed and punished.

@satyashetty, Bangalore :Too much free time or just joined some right wing organisation?

Irreverent,

>> ".... they should try to defeat him electorally."

It is a matter of shame as well as concern that someone whom so many consider to be responsible for a massacre of Muslims is not only unbeatable in Gujarat elections, but is the favorite candidate of charlatans like you to be the next PM. Even most of his supporters do not think he is innocent. They know in their hearts that Modi did give an illegal order to the police on the night of February 27, 2002. They only hope and pray that the well-orchestrated cover-up does not collapse. They do not want him exposed and punished.

 congress crooks have caught mouth diarrhoea. after this crook,

now sonia gandhi fell face down.

 It was cultural Marxists who asked Rama to desert Sita. Cultural Marxism is a very dangerous ideology and it is based on Political correctness. I think COngress is full of cultural marxists. 

>> "Modi should be dumped because he has brought kalank to Gujarat and to the BJP." - Anwaar

The Mullah apologists must understand that India is a democracy and Gujarat is still part of India. Their "Muslim Brotherhood" concept are against the Constitution. Instead of frothing venoms, they should try to defeat him electorally.

>> "And the Muslims crossing their Lakshman Rekha (though that wuold make the Muslims Sita in this story - which would cause great commotion on this posting board, doubtless - because then who are the Rakshasas?) " - Zafar

Superrr.... ROFL....

@Sathya: I found Zafar's post D-39/17 quite funny. I don't think he said anything offensive.

IF CONGRESS CAN DUMP THE GANDHI FAMILY FOR THE GENOCIDE OF THE SIKHS THEN MODI CAN BE DUMPED FOR THE GUJARAT RIOTS.

lets keep Ram and Rahim out of politics and from the Outlook forum as well.why the media is not responsible while publishing something that comes from irresponsible politician.
a party will not dump one who is not engaged in anti party activities or not a liability and after all its an internal party matter to keep or dump its leaders.

it is the congress that brought the kalank first to the country massacring 3000 Sikhs and when no single Muslim leader came forward condemning it in open because congress is their savior.as a minority they should have said something then nor they uttered a word condemning the Godhra incident or after the supreme court judgement came on Godhra.

Now who should dump whom?unless and until the Muslims dump the jihadis they will be looked upon continually as supporting and sympathizing Jihad.as far as Modi is concerned let the people of gujarat decide as election to the assembly at Gujarat is due next year

the Muslims who were responsible for the godhra train carnage brought shame ,disrespect,and stink or Kalank to the entire Muslim community.

ZAFAR,Sydney.

you havent answered to what I wrote to you instead as a default charecteristic with you guys mock people belonging to other faiths so easilly while showing utter contempt and disregard to them and engaging even in voilence and terrorism to prove the point.
I am sure there are many jihadi sympathisers on this forum exclusively for showing the Hindu interests in a poor taste.This is nothing new.some play with hammer and some others with the Bombs.

How Modi looks is irrelevant to people as what he has delivered o people is important.At least he dosent look like a Jihadi terrorist.I dont want to make any reference to the characters from Bible or Koran as its not for what we are here.

Hanuman set fire to lanka and Jihadis set fire to Hanumans followers at Godhra and the law taking its own course to tell to the world in bold lines that it was a massacre a well planned one .its unfortunate that either after the carnage or even after the supreme court judgment a single Muslim coming forward condemning the gruesome murder in day light.why talk of Gujarat riot alone.Lives of every human is precious right?

IF CONGRESS DUMPS THE ENTIRE GANDHI FAMILY THEN HALF OF THE PEOPLE VOTONG FOR THE BJP COULD STRAIGHT AWAY COME TO THE CONGRESS.

>> There are many Ramayans, and being a great myth, it is open to many interpretations.

Is the koran also a great myth & is it open to many interpretations?

Can you proclaim that Koran is a myth in front of your nearest masjid  & survice ?

">> Modi should be dumped because he has brought kalank to Gujarat"

Gujarathis (atleast the ones in Gujarat) know who has brought kalank to Gujarat and have already given their verdict twice.

>> Let us leave Ram and Sita out of this

Why? Why give up on the free entertainment provided by the uncouth, illiterate and scumbag Congressis?

>> Modi should be dumped because he has brought kalank to Gujarat

I think we should let the Gujaratis decide on that.

And I too think that Modi bears a very superficial resemblance to Hanuman - though Hanuman set fire to Lanka, while Modi set fire to his own desh. That's a pretty important difference, don't you think? " Zafar at 11.06

" And I more broadly agree with Satya that we should not use the epics (or anybody's holy books) to try and seriously score political points in the public realm. " Zaffar at 11.44

Let us leave Ram and Sita out of this. The BJP should dump Modi in order to complete the task that Vajpayee left uninished in the party conference in Goa in May 2002, when Modi was to be dumped, but Vajpayee got cold feet. Modi should be dumped because he has brought kalank to Gujarat and to the BJP.

>> Who said that lives of hindus are not precious?

Were they important to you when you were working with riot victims in Bombay, almost exclusively Muslims, and exclusively victims of Hindu rioters?

You had slimed away earlier, preferring to run away with your tail between your legs, rather than answer a simple question.

@ R Saroja

Rashid Alvi is a moron.  And I more broadly agree with Satya that we should not use the epics (or anybody's holy books) to try and seriously score political points in the public realm.

[I wouldlike to think that the victims are in position of Sita, undergoing Agnipariksha.]

Yes - I admit I also see it like that.  With their ordeal comprised not just of fire, but of their subsequent suffering through corrupt courts and police, facing threats from the accused to turn hostile to prosecution, etc.

And the Muslims crossing their Lakshman Rekha (though that wuold make the Muslims Sita in this story - which would cause great commotion on this posting board, doubtless - because then who are the Rakshasas?) was not just Godhra, but all the way back to their opposition to the Shah Bano judgement - perhaps that is where the country stopped coming together and started to hunker down into separate defensive units. : - (  That was  a fateful bad (even evil) decision by Muslims in India.

[Is there a version where Ram asks for forgiveness AND Sita forgives?}

In just about EVERY version of the Ramayan she forgives him the first rejection - when he rescues her from Lanka but then makes her go through a humiliating test to prove that she remained pure.  It is not even when he does it AGAIN (by banishing her because a dhobi is bad mouthing her while he beats his wife!) but AGAIN a third time (by yet another humiliating demand for proof of purity) that she finally decides that she has had it.

Until then she never said a word against him - in fact she still didn't directly criticise him,

Which *is* filmi, I guess, but still we like it.

@ Satyashettyinbangalore, I like the Ramayan, I am making fun of the BJP leaders, and frankly I am tempted to make fun of you too.  Becasue baap re baap, if you are a hammer obviously everything look like a nail - but why blame everything rather than the hammer?  Hmmm?  Peace.

And I too think that Modi bears a very superficial resemblance to Hanuman - though Hanuman set fire to Lanka, while Modi set fire to his own desh.  That's a pretty important difference, don't you think?

R. Saroja, Bombay

talking of the victimhood of a section of the people alone is giving that impression.

drawing an inference to mock a relion and its beliefs is definitely an abuse.Hindu religion is basically secular and moderate and thats the reason its adversaries taking liberty to belittle it all in the name of freedom of expression.two wrongs do not make one right but the people who try to mock Hindu religion have no spine to talk whats bad in Islam for which the whole civilised world is paying a price.

It has become a fashion to criticise what ever that is hindu to show one is a secular.

religions stood the test of time and mocking it or taking reference from it for self serving purpose cannot belittle it.The communists who say there is no god and no religion have been discarded and biting the dust.
i am religious but not a fanatic.Let the atheists and communists be bold enough to say a spade a spade.

wise people make wise statements and not cheaper one's/

even our birth if legitimate or not is said by the mother like who is the father as we trust her for an entire life and so is the religion.this world has hundreds of burning problems and some are busy questioning the religion or showing up their hidden fanatic instincts.

its not the religion that has to change its outlook but its the people.its only a stagnant religion that dosent allow to open it up.I said no religion is bad and if one is pointed as being bad then all are bad as we always believed that all religions preach the same thing.

Talibani way is disrespecting other religions,killing the innocents. in the name of god or jihad

@GANESAN - "Congress should come up with better examples".

No Congress is right. It was a Freudian slip.

 congress is showing its desperation now. they have completely lost it.

this statement must have come from catholic mistress and her aulaad, as they do not have any idea of hindu history.

and the slaves are reading their statement as it is without verifying.

those idiot like nitish kumar should stop being an ass just to satisfy few people and come in support of modi.

 SATYASHETTY,BANGALORE

How come then the lives of the Muslim victims alone can be precious and not that of the Hindus.

Who said that lives of hindus are not precious?

Ramayan or any holy books are sacred to the respective religions and must be respected and no attempt should be made to draw any inferences.

Why do you assume that "drawing inference' is going to take away sanctity of any religion? 

Religion is a belief and a matter of faith.If any one religion of the world is bad then all are bad as well.

According to the wise there is one Religion and many religions. 

.... to call it a myth do the peopole who say so have evidence to prove it.

A MYTH has psychic truth. It has several layers of interpretations. When you do not "draw inferences", you lock a myth or religion to its lowest level and then you end up calling it bad.(You seem to take comfort in calling all religions bad). That is not my way. That is the way of taliban and purists

true to its fake secularism policies the congress will send its Muslim spokespersons to the media when something is to be taken upon the BJP.will the congress tolerate if a Hindu spokesperson of the BJP compares the characters in the congress with those appearing in Bible or Koran?

Modi is not a burden or a a liabilty for the BJP to dump him,he is a fighter and will keep fighting his adversaries,fanatics,fake secularists and the enemies of his state.

The congress is jealous of his stature in the state.it wants to play down the progress Gujarat made under him.

BJP has nothing to hide in order to avoid any questions over him.will the congress answer questions on the massacre of 300 nSikhs in 1984,Adarsh housing society,the suicide of farmers in maharashtra,2G or will simply say "Zero loss" in all the issues.

Pramod,Phoenix,

The congress dosent dump any one as it dosent want new enemies.It has a tradition of bringing back its leaders rejected by the people at the hustings through the backdoor like how we can see Renuka Chaudhry,Digvijay Singh as party spokespersons and governors like Margret Alva.
Its a deliberate ploy of the congress and the ever eager media to call Muslim spokespersons of a party adverse to the BJP for the comments when it has something to do with the BJP.
Those who belittled Ram are biting the dust like Ram vilas paswan,lalu yadav and DMK supremo Karunanidhi.
who has the proof where Jesus or the prohet was born before asking where Ram was born or if at all born.religion is a matter of faith and no one need to interfere.it will be an abuse if something is compared with it just to living characters in order to just mock it
 

R. Saroja, Bombay

remeber that in the Gujarat riot which was the sequel to the Godhra massacre then more than two hundred Hindus too were killed and most of them under police action,firing etc.How come then the lives of the Muslim victims alone can be  precious and not that of the Hindus.
Ramayan or any holy books are sacred to the respective religions and must be respected and no attempt should be made to draw any inferences.Religion is a belief and a matter of faith.If any one religion of the world is bad then all are bad as well.But its noit so.
Let there be many Ramayans but to call it a myth do the peopole who say so have evidence to prove it.even modern religions are settling scores in the name of Jihad and crusade.
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Zafar, Sydney

you are not making fun of the BJP leaders but using an oppurtunity to covertly mock the epic Ramyan.will you tolerate if some one does the same with your Koran as there are aberations in every religion.
you are just making undue and cheap use of media freedom and liberty of speech.but we have seen how you guys reacted over a cartoon.Before you want to search for the worms in some one else's wounds see if you are not already infected.

Is Sonia Gandhi then the only a florence of Nigtingle for the Congress and nothing else.

Lalu wanted to show to the world his proximity to the jihadis more than the Muslims because he deliberately constituted the Bannerjee commision to look intoi the Godhra train fire.

I am sure the saner Muslim elements would have reacted positvely after the godra train fire as within a few hours a leading News channel which claims now as 24X7 that it was a well orchestrated revenge attack by the Muslims for the Kar sevaks abusing and scolding the people at Godhra on their way to Ayodhya.will the muslims and the Jihadi sympathiser trust this breaking news or they will say its crap because its the same channels which protect the interests of these divisive and fanatic forces in the country.

 Zafar>>Finally (Happy Ending?) will the Earth open up and swallow him?

There are many Ramayans, and being a great myth, it is open to many interpretations. Rashid Alvi was clearly out of his depth. I wouldlike to think that the victims are in position of Sita, undergoing Agnipariksha. Yes in the version of Ramayan where Sita returns to earth abandoning Ram, by her act, Ramayan becomes the story of Sita, heartbroken. Is there a version where Ram asks for forgiveness AND Sita forgives ? Too filmy. Yuck. 

Goofs in two major parties and goons in other parties are having a field day.Who knows where Ram failed, the magic of Sita may work for BJP at an appropriate time.

Modi is not Ram but could well be a Hanuman as he is a bachelor too.who is the Seeta of the congress anyway.Sonia Gandhi,Pratibha Patil,ambika soni or chaudhry.

This forum will stink as long as there are fake secularists and fake moderates.then there are jihadi sympathisers posing as ultra seculars.well these people expect the majoority community alone to be secular and they be not touched,questioned on their fundamentalist and fanatic attitudes.For them the life of people of their community alone is precious.Its all happening because we have the greedy media coming to thier rescue.

before the supreme court judgement came on what really happened at Godhra even when every Indian including a Muslim and Hindu knew the moment the train was torched and the innocent Hindus set ablaze the fake secularists and jihadi elements posing as moderates, the selective and biased media started accusing Modi and calling that barbaric incident as accident.congress cannot make one right out of two wrongs like it cannot get absolved of the massacre of the Sikhs while accusing Modi of massacring the Muslims.How strang is that when the people of Gujarat both the Muslims and the Hindus want to forget the past and move ahead the enemies of peace and stability are at work with funding from enemy countries

This is the funniest thing I've ever seen!!  What next?  

Will Modi be tempted by a golden deer? (Haren Pandya?)

WIll he be kidnapped by Ravana who falls in love with his great beauty? 

Who will rescue him from Lanka (Gandhinagar)?

Will Modi undergo an Agnipariksha to prove his purity?

Finally (Happy Ending?) will the Earth open up and swallow him?

Oh and I forgot - who are Luv and Kush?

(Is Advaniji Dashrath?  Who is Kaikai???!!!!!!  What about Hanuman?)

Too much!!

will the congress dump the gandhi family?will it be forgiven for the massacre of 3000 Sikhs.

will the congress dump and  desert the Gandhi family so as to get absolved from all the allegations of black money stashed away to swiss banks.I will forever vote only for the congress

BJP Should Dump Modi as Ram Deserted Sita: Cong
PTI | New Delhi | May 08, 2012
 

Inadvertently,BJP has been equated to Ram and Narendra Modi to Sita.The Congress is fit to be Ravana. Let the Congress abduct Modi to their party and be ready to be killed finally.by the BJP.Let the Deepavali be celebrated afte the 2014 General elections!

A K SAXENA (A retired civil servant)

www.aksaxena.co.in

 BTW, will Congress dump Chidambaram to set an example in this regard?

 @Pramod

Clumsy analogy perhaps, but what exactly is jehadi about it

Based on Rashid Alvi’s understanding of Ramayana, it seems to me that he had his training from a Jihadi brand Madarsha, where religious texts are understood and interpreted in a twisted way.
Does anyone else see a parallelism here? Dude, you truly belong to congress!

"But Sita was crystal pure!! Congress has tacitly acknowledged Modi is innocent of all charges but still must be dumped just to satisfy a few people."

LOL. Absolute stupidity shown by Congress spokesperson. This is where they are going to miss skill of Singhvi. Unfortunately he was also skillful in lot of other acts.

 Rashid Alvi should confine himself to his understanding or his religion. He is well out of his bounds on both these areas on this issue. 

Congress is one eyed washerman !

corrected

Pankaj ji

On the dot.

So BJP is Ram and Congress is on eyed washerman !

This is Christian ordered Harikatha discourse delivered by a Muslim.

On second thought, is Congress the washerman inciting BJP to dump Modi? In any case a lot of congressman have loads of dirty linen!

O My God!  Congress is saying "Sita ka character dheela hain" and that's why Ram "dumped" her!!

Or is it a secular statement (meaning bashing of Hindu feelings)?

In any case, Sita is the epitome of an ideal woman (of those times)

I always believed that Congress spokespersons talked through their Gandhi topis. Now I know that they also talk through other orifices.

With his role in post-Godhara riots again coming into question, Congress today asked BJP to dump the Guajrat Chief Minister like Lord Rama had sent Sita out of his home to clear the doubts of the people.' Congress

And dump Parivar to clear the doubts of 1984 as Ram dumped Sita ??
 

But Sita was crystal pure!! Congress has tacitly acknowledged Modi is innocent of all charges but still must be dumped just to satisfy a few people.

This is the biggest compliment Modi has received. The analogy dept of Congress should come up with better examples.

But Sita was crystal pure!! Congress has tacitly acknowledged Modi is innocent of all charges but still must be dumped just to satisfy a few people.

This is the biggest compliment Modi has received. The analogy dept of Congress should come up with better examples.

This is Christian ordered Harikatha discourse delivered by a Muslim.

"But Sita was crystal pure!! Congress has tacitly acknowledged Modi is innocent of all charges but still must be dumped just to satisfy a few people."

LOL. Absolute stupidity shown by Congress spokesperson. This is where they are going to miss skill of Singhvi. Unfortunately he was also skillful in lot of other acts.

O My God!  Congress is saying "Sita ka character dheela hain" and that's why Ram "dumped" her!!

Or is it a secular statement (meaning bashing of Hindu feelings)?

In any case, Sita is the epitome of an ideal woman (of those times)

With his role in post-Godhara riots again coming into question, Congress today asked BJP to dump the Guajrat Chief Minister like Lord Rama had sent Sita out of his home to clear the doubts of the people.' Congress

And dump Parivar to clear the doubts of 1984 as Ram dumped Sita ??
 

 Rashid Alvi should confine himself to his understanding or his religion. He is well out of his bounds on both these areas on this issue. 

Pankaj ji

On the dot.

So BJP is Ram and Congress is on eyed washerman !

I always believed that Congress spokespersons talked through their Gandhi topis. Now I know that they also talk through other orifices.

Based on Rashid Alvi’s understanding of Ramayana, it seems to me that he had his training from a Jihadi brand Madarsha, where religious texts are understood and interpreted in a twisted way.
Does anyone else see a parallelism here? Dude, you truly belong to congress!

On second thought, is Congress the washerman inciting BJP to dump Modi? In any case a lot of congressman have loads of dirty linen!

>> Modi should be dumped because he has brought kalank to Gujarat

I think we should let the Gujaratis decide on that.

BJP Should Dump Modi as Ram Deserted Sita: Cong
PTI | New Delhi | May 08, 2012
 

Inadvertently,BJP has been equated to Ram and Narendra Modi to Sita.The Congress is fit to be Ravana. Let the Congress abduct Modi to their party and be ready to be killed finally.by the BJP.Let the Deepavali be celebrated afte the 2014 General elections!

A K SAXENA (A retired civil servant)

www.aksaxena.co.in

 BTW, will Congress dump Chidambaram to set an example in this regard?

">> Modi should be dumped because he has brought kalank to Gujarat"

Gujarathis (atleast the ones in Gujarat) know who has brought kalank to Gujarat and have already given their verdict twice.

Zafar, Sydney

you are not making fun of the BJP leaders but using an oppurtunity to covertly mock the epic Ramyan.will you tolerate if some one does the same with your Koran as there are aberations in every religion.
you are just making undue and cheap use of media freedom and liberty of speech.but we have seen how you guys reacted over a cartoon.Before you want to search for the worms in some one else's wounds see if you are not already infected.

Congress is one eyed washerman !

corrected

will the congress dump the gandhi family?will it be forgiven for the massacre of 3000 Sikhs.

"If you want to know about the delays in police and army coming to riot areas, ask the victims of the riots instead of checking Modi's logs, which is what Raghavan did."

Yeah, like Justice Banerjee did when he concluded that the fire was an accident!, right?

@ Anwaar

>> "It is a matter of shame as well as concern that someone whom so many consider to be responsible for a massacre of Muslims is not only unbeatable in Gujarat elections, but is the favorite candidate of charlatans like you to be the next PM. "

Please spare us this emotional atyachaar!! It is funny that a rabid defender of Jihadi terrorists talks about 'shame' and 'concern'. Gujarat 2002 had not happened if a train coach had not met with a 'fire accident'. You get the point?

Now, look at the positives. After 2002, no other train coach ever got razed by a 'fire accident'. The kar sevaks have also stopped their acts of 'self combustion'. After Kandhamal, no Hindu saint has been killed in the jungles. People must uderstand that beyond a point, Hindus will retaliate. And, hit back hard. The days of the Mughals and British are over. Period. In fact, they must be thankful to Modi for bringing the riots under control with limited damage. 

Many believe that your aakas in the Congress are the most communal, casteist and corrupt party. But, they all accept that Congress has the mandate to (mis)rule. Instead of launching witch-hunts and conspiracy propagandas, they are waiting for the next round of ballots. Jokers like you should also do the same. Good luck!!

>> "They know in their hearts that Modi did give an illegal order to the police on the night of February 27, 2002."

And, the police went out and started firing at the Hindus!! Bloody buffoons!! I always said that the police is stupid. You confirmed it!! Did he ask for similar favours from the army? Or, were those Sanghis in army and RAF/CRPF fatigues, who did the flag marches and riot controls? 

>> There are many Ramayans, and being a great myth, it is open to many interpretations.

Is the koran also a great myth & is it open to many interpretations?

Can you proclaim that Koran is a myth in front of your nearest masjid  & survice ?

before the supreme court judgement came on what really happened at Godhra even when every Indian including a Muslim and Hindu knew the moment the train was torched and the innocent Hindus set ablaze the fake secularists and jihadi elements posing as moderates, the selective and biased media started accusing Modi and calling that barbaric incident as accident.congress cannot make one right out of two wrongs like it cannot get absolved of the massacre of the Sikhs while accusing Modi of massacring the Muslims.How strang is that when the people of Gujarat both the Muslims and the Hindus want to forget the past and move ahead the enemies of peace and stability are at work with funding from enemy countries

will the congress dump and  desert the Gandhi family so as to get absolved from all the allegations of black money stashed away to swiss banks.I will forever vote only for the congress

>> They took their own sweet time

Rascals!

How dare they claim that they acted promptly? Don't they know there are three days between Feb 28th and Mar 1st? Every secular calendar in the world says so. Whoever disagrees is a Sanghi AND a Zionist, watches only Fox News and has read only Savarkar or Hitler.

The entire talk of Mar 1 following Feb 28 is a giant Sanghi/Zionist conspiracy.

>> "Modi should be dumped because he has brought kalank to Gujarat and to the BJP." - Anwaar

The Mullah apologists must understand that India is a democracy and Gujarat is still part of India. Their "Muslim Brotherhood" concept are against the Constitution. Instead of frothing venoms, they should try to defeat him electorally.