Ghai,

>> Till some reliable material comes out I will trust more Som Nath Chaterjee Da and Joyoti Basu Da.

Till some reliable material comes out you should hold your judgement!

The mention of Swami is enough for the Congress street dogs to bark. If Swami and Vajpayee made a reprsentation and Dr. Kalam examined and found merit in that then why is the dog barking? After Dr. Kalam is not Puppet Pratibha! And neither is Vajpayee ji a Sonia! I mean these are men of character not some power mongering Italian and a bank looting scamster.

 "The citizenship of Sonia Gandhi was the issue for them"

The issue was not the citizenship of Sonia but the reciprocity clause. It is a different issue.

D-6/22 Faruki

Till some reliable material comes out I will trust more Som Nath Chaterjee Da and Joyoti Basu Da.Both gave us the first hand information right outside 10 Janpath .What they said even Congress has not contested till now.
If Sonia has the majority in 2014 then see is welcome to claim the postif not she then let Tahul Baba stake the claim .And if in spite of Majority in 2014 they still stays out then we have to trust Swamy.
As simple as that.

In both the cases your story Kalam as stooge of Swamy and Bajpai stands discredited.

Ghai,

>> blames Kalam Sahib of being a tool in hands of Bajapi and Swamy.

Not true as far as Mr. Nair is concerned, but it was one of the stories that did circulate at the time. This article says, " "Letter written by Dr Subramanian Swamy, President, Janata Party to the President was inter alia, a communication sent in confidence by him to the President, based on which President exercised his/her discretion to appoint the Prime Minister under Article 75," the Secretariat said in an RTI reply to activist Subhash Agrawal." The article also says, "The President's Secretariat has refused to give a copy of Swamy's letter saying the disclosure would be a breach of confidentiality and fiduciary relationship and therefore attracts section 8(1)(e) of RTI Act."

www.indianexpress.com/news/in-04-kalam-had-sonias-appointment-letter-ready/299438/0

Chaitnaya's link .

Above link supports what Som Nath Da and Late Sh.Joyti Basu said .

Not Swami but some other pressures made Sonia to change her mind.

Presently we rely on familty pressures as the reason unless some thing more comes out .It is wrong to blame Kalam sahib for the actions of the Congress .Neither Congress ever blamed him.

" He should have refused to do BJP's bidding, but the fact that he did so does not make him a bad person. " Faruki

Swami said on TV recently that neither Sonia nor Rahul can be PM due certain points raised by him.

If Congress is really serious and Congress blames Kalam Sahib of being a tool in hands of Bajapi and Swamy -(a far fetched allegation which Faruki has leveled first time and none News hungry in Media person has ever said so ) then let the Congress publish the letter which Kalam sahib wrote to Congress or Sonia Gandhi where he said certain objections have been raised to Sonia's appointment as a PM and Prez is seeking advice of the Constitutional experts .

So Sonia can come next day at 11 am to meet Prez.

I think Kalam sahib did what was required to be done by him to be doubly sure that Sonia is Constitutionally allowed to take oath.

This controversy can be rest once for all .

A 12 hrs delay in oath taking would not have played havoc with the Country.

So now question arises why Sonia backed out when she had written to Prez that she is enclosing the Letters signe dby 272 MPS endorsing her becoming the PM.
And she too appended her own letter supporting self as PM .Again Swamy on TV 

Well none of us will accuse either Swamy and Bajpai of sabotaging Sonia's PMship or can fathom the reasons of her backing out once tha facts are laid bare by the Congress .

I personally heard on TV -Joyti Basu and Som Nath Chaterjee saying after meeting Sonia that her family is against her becoming PM as they have already lost their Grandmother and Father both cruelly assassinated .And they did not want to loose the mother .Joyti da and Somnath da are towering distinguished persons and men of repute. It will be wrong not to believe them.

Now Faruki has come with his own far fetched Theory that Kalam sahib became a tool in hands of Swamy and Bajpai.

2.  Also for all intent and purpose all the power lies with Sonia Gandhi and PM Manmohan is hardly paid any heed.In pique MMS had resigned twice or thrice .

It would have been far better for the Country if Sonia had taken the charge and then she would have been answerable .Poor MMS is answerable now where as none listens him.

Perhaps this dual control has made PM ineffective.

I personally don't think there can be any objection to Sonia's becoming PM even next time if Congress come sinto power.It will be rather better than duel controls and two power centres.

Whatever,

>> did Nair know everything?

Read the article first.

 That's right Chaitanya - did Nair know everything? He did know what happened behind the closed doors where only Kalam, Saint Sonia and water-bearer Manmohan Singh were present.

Oh yes!!! There was one other person present there. An honourable member of this forum. He was present during the meeting and heard Kalam raising the "citizenship" issue. He was also present when Swamy and Vajpayee twisted Kalam's arm by threatening to cut-off his silky hair and tonsure him. Kalam wanted to save his famous hair and hence agreed to raise the "citizenship" issue.

For more information on this "hair-raising" betrayal by Kalam, stay tuned to this forum. The Honourable member has more insights to share.

I now yield to the Honourable member.

>> CITIZENSHIP ISSUE NOT DISCUSSED WITH SMT. SONIA GANDHI

Good input from Mr. Chaitanya. There was no reason to discuss the citizenship issue, because she was an Indian citizen. The rest of the account tells us what Mr. Nair knew. Did he know everything?

I'd rather go by presidential press release dated May 19, 2004 when Kalam was the President of India, Kalam's own words when he responded to a specific question in an interview after his presidentiall years,and the account of PM Nair who Kalam's secretary at Rashtrapathi Bhavan and the author of 'The Kalam Effect'

"CITIZENSHIP ISSUE NOT DISCUSSED WITH SMT. SONIA GANDHI
19-05-2004 : Rashtrapati Bhavan, New Delhi
PRESS RELEASE
It has been reported in a section of the press that the President Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam had discussed the citizenship issue with Smt. Sonia Gandhi when she met him yesterday at Rashtrapati Bhavan. This is contrary to facts. It did not figure in the discussions at all."http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=1730

after the 2004 elections returned a divided verdict. Media reports said Sonia Gandhi had the support to become prime minister.Kalam wrote a letter to Sonia on May 17, inviting her to meet him the same day.
The plan was as follows: Nair would wait with a letter appointing her as prime minister in an ante room near the study in which Kalam and Sonia would meet; Kalam would ring a bell, Nair would walk in, and she would be named PM.The letter was prepared. Sonia came, but brought Manmohan Singh along. Nair waited impatiently for the bell to ring. It finally did.“I hurried out with the papers — only to see Sonia Gandhi and Dr Singh leaving. I ran into the study,” Nair writes. Sonia ultimately stepped aside for Singh. The letter was discarded, and a new one was drawn up.http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/India/2-letters-that-Kalam-wrote-and-junked/Article1-305694.aspx
.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/in-04-kalam-had-sonias-appointment-letter-ready/299438/0

+++++
The Sonia letter

I drafted the letter and he signed it on May 17, 2004 — only a letter inviting Sonia Gandhi to Rashtrapati Bhavan the same day.

I further told the President, “Sir… I shall be in the ADC’s room (which is adjacent to the study) with the letter to be signed by you, appointing Smt. Sonia Gandhi the Prime Minister of India. Please sign it, shake hands with her and congratulate her. You should also ask when she would like to be sworn in.”

“Okay,” he said. The letter inviting Sonia Gandhi for discussions was dispatched.

The appointed hour came. Sonia Gandhi arrived with Dr Manmohan Singh. I waited in the ADC’s room, alert for the bell, armed with the letter (yet to be signed) from the President appointing her the Prime Minister of India. Minutes ticked by. The bell rang. I hurried out with the papers — only to see Sonia Gandhi and Dr Singh leaving.

I ran into the study. There he was and as soon as he saw me, he said, “Mr Nair, you told me she would come with letters of support, but she came just for discussions. She said she would come again tomorrow with the letters of support from other parties. I said, ‘Why wait till tomorrow? I am available any time this afternoon or this evening. You please come as soon as you are ready with the papers. My papers are ready for you.’”

“Right, sir,” I said. “We will wait.”

Wait we did. The message came that Sonia Gandhi would meet the President at 8.15 pm on 19 May. I was ready again with my draft letter to be signed by the President. Precisely at 8.15 pm Sonia Gandhi drove in along with Dr Manmohan Singh. I waited in the anteroom. The moments ticked by.

The bell rang, and I went in. The President told me that he had been informed that it would be Dr Singh who would be the leader of the party. The letter said he was nominated the leader of the Congress Parliamentary Party and the prime ministerial candidate of the party. Letters of support from the other parties were also there.

Having been told thus, I went back to change my letter. Now the President was appointing Dr Manmohan Singh the Prime Minister. Dr Singh stood by in all humility and thanked Sonia Gandhi. The President congratulated the Prime Minister-to-be and I, having done my job, retreated.

I thought it had all ended; no, it was just the beginning. The rumour mills had already started working. They said the President refused to swear in Sonia Gandhi as Prime Minister. Some said Kalam advised her not to stake a claim. Some scribes made Kalam a hero saying he did not blot the nation’s pride by appointing her the Prime Minister! How many editorials and ‘learned’ articles there were by people on what they saw, heard or learnt when none of them was anywhere near. But then, they had the space in print and television in view, and a gullible, captive readership and audience.

The citizenship of Sonia Gandhi was the issue for them. The Supreme Court had already decided on it. Even so, many representations used to come to the President on this subject. For us in Rashtrapati Bhavan, it had already become a non issue. The Supreme Court’s verdict was clear. And the President was fully aware of it.

Excerpts from The Kalam Effect — My Years with the President;
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080427/jsp/7days/story_9194120.jsp

Haryanvi,

>> Even the worst hate monger will not talk about Kalam ji the most noble person like this.

But a hatemonger like you will not miss this opportunity to smear me! I respect Kalam and I do not think what he did was in any way dishonorable. I do think however that Swamy and Vajpayee should have handled it themselves because it was a political matter, and the President should have been kept out of it.

>> He should have refused to do BJP's bidding

What a stupid statement? What bidding?

They really need to start teaching logic in Madrassas. Else stuck pig jehadis shall continue to make a public display of their stupidity.

Ghai,

>> Now you are accusing Kalam sahib acting as tool in hands of Swamy and Bajapi .

He should have refused to do BJP's bidding, but the fact that he did so does not make him a bad person.

1 'It is safe to say that her story gave a cover to Kalam for being an agent of the Swamy/BJP cabal "

Anwaar Bhai jaan : Are you ok ?? You have lost your senses  ? Even the worst hate monger will not talk about Kalam ji the most noble person like this.
 

 I think this is the same case  for the son and daughter; otherwise can anytime Nehru family remain without power, that too, when they think that becoming the Indian PM is their family's birth right!

The question is why did Swamy and Vajpayee not do the dirty deed themselves? Why did they have to get the President involved? " Faruki

Now you are accusing Kalam sahib acting as  tool in hands of Swamy and Bajapi .Even Congress or lalu never said so.

You have become Singhvi and Digvijay Singh rolled into one.
Go and sleep for some time .

He did it because he was asked to do it. He can be faulted for an error in judgement. But the villains are those who asked him to do it, Swamy and Vajpayee. But I expect such distinctions must be beyond you. "

 Freind Faruki

Either your Id has been broken and being used by some crazy fellow who is now posting nonsemse here or you have finally gone bonkers. In the later case you need to see the Doctor .

No saner person will accuse Dr Kalam sahib like you are.

>> He did it because he was asked to do it.

Not everyone is a dynastic groveler, rewarded for managing the kitchen in the Gandhi household. Kalam has to be held responsible for his actions; right or wrong.

I don't know if he advised Sonia against staking her claim, or pointed out potential issues, based on points raised by Swamy (though how you bring Vajpayee in the discussion, except due to the hate in your heart is beyond me). If he did so, he was either right or wrong; but he was certainly responsible for that act.

But in either case, Sonia and the sickos were certainly lying, when they said that she responded to her "inner voice", and that she was a "tyaag ki murti".

Hate has fried your brain.

Irreverent,

>>  If you call Kalam as "agent of Swamy/BJP cabal",

He did it because he was asked to do it. He can be faulted for an error in judgement. But the villains are those who asked him to do it, Swamy and Vajpayee. But I expect such distinctions must be beyond you.

>> "Kalam is an honorable man and his integrity is not in question." - Anwaar

Your attempts to dodge out are pathetic. If you call Kalam as "agent of Swamy/BJP cabal", you are questioning both the integrity and honor of the former President. 

Irreverent,

>>  anyone who refuses to kiss the asses of the Mullahdom or the sickulars (preferably, both) must be from the BJP/Swamy cabal.

What an idiotic comment from this pathetic hatemonger! Kalam is an honorable man and his integrity is not in question. The question is why did Swamy and Vajpayee not do the dirty deed themselves? Why did they have to get the President involved?

>> "It is safe to say that her story gave a cover to Kalam for being an agent of the Swamy/BJP cabal." - Anwaar

Moronic comment!! So, anyone who refuses to kiss the asses of the Mullahdom or the sickulars (preferably, both) must be from the BJP/Swamy cabal. What qualifications, apart from bigotry, are needed to be in the CAIR cabal?

Kautilya,

>> So it is safe to say that Sonia maataa's sacrifice story was a fairy tale to cover-up the invisible kick she received from Kalam.

It is safe to say that her story gave a cover to Kalam for being an agent of the Swamy/BJP cabal.

 Her Holiness Saint Sonia turns out to be a fake Saint!! Not that we did not know it before. 

What is surprising is how many people fell for this chicanery-even after 1999 when Sonia brazenly lied about having 272 MPs.

Some people can be fooled all the time and in India, the majority appears to fit that bill.

 So it is safe to say that Sonia maataa's sacrifice story was a fairy tale to cover-up the invisible kick she received from Kalam. That is exactly the reason for her venom and antipathy for a patriotic and exemplary Indian like Kalam. I wonder what it makes her!!!

>> "Kalam is an honorable man and his integrity is not in question." - Anwaar

Your attempts to dodge out are pathetic. If you call Kalam as "agent of Swamy/BJP cabal", you are questioning both the integrity and honor of the former President. 

 So it is safe to say that Sonia maataa's sacrifice story was a fairy tale to cover-up the invisible kick she received from Kalam. That is exactly the reason for her venom and antipathy for a patriotic and exemplary Indian like Kalam. I wonder what it makes her!!!

>> "It is safe to say that her story gave a cover to Kalam for being an agent of the Swamy/BJP cabal." - Anwaar

Moronic comment!! So, anyone who refuses to kiss the asses of the Mullahdom or the sickulars (preferably, both) must be from the BJP/Swamy cabal. What qualifications, apart from bigotry, are needed to be in the CAIR cabal?

 Her Holiness Saint Sonia turns out to be a fake Saint!! Not that we did not know it before. 

What is surprising is how many people fell for this chicanery-even after 1999 when Sonia brazenly lied about having 272 MPs.

Some people can be fooled all the time and in India, the majority appears to fit that bill.

>> He did it because he was asked to do it.

Not everyone is a dynastic groveler, rewarded for managing the kitchen in the Gandhi household. Kalam has to be held responsible for his actions; right or wrong.

I don't know if he advised Sonia against staking her claim, or pointed out potential issues, based on points raised by Swamy (though how you bring Vajpayee in the discussion, except due to the hate in your heart is beyond me). If he did so, he was either right or wrong; but he was certainly responsible for that act.

But in either case, Sonia and the sickos were certainly lying, when they said that she responded to her "inner voice", and that she was a "tyaag ki murti".

Hate has fried your brain.

The question is why did Swamy and Vajpayee not do the dirty deed themselves? Why did they have to get the President involved? " Faruki

Now you are accusing Kalam sahib acting as  tool in hands of Swamy and Bajapi .Even Congress or lalu never said so.

You have become Singhvi and Digvijay Singh rolled into one.
Go and sleep for some time .

He did it because he was asked to do it. He can be faulted for an error in judgement. But the villains are those who asked him to do it, Swamy and Vajpayee. But I expect such distinctions must be beyond you. "

 Freind Faruki

Either your Id has been broken and being used by some crazy fellow who is now posting nonsemse here or you have finally gone bonkers. In the later case you need to see the Doctor .

No saner person will accuse Dr Kalam sahib like you are.

1 'It is safe to say that her story gave a cover to Kalam for being an agent of the Swamy/BJP cabal "

Anwaar Bhai jaan : Are you ok ?? You have lost your senses  ? Even the worst hate monger will not talk about Kalam ji the most noble person like this.
 

 That's right Chaitanya - did Nair know everything? He did know what happened behind the closed doors where only Kalam, Saint Sonia and water-bearer Manmohan Singh were present.

Oh yes!!! There was one other person present there. An honourable member of this forum. He was present during the meeting and heard Kalam raising the "citizenship" issue. He was also present when Swamy and Vajpayee twisted Kalam's arm by threatening to cut-off his silky hair and tonsure him. Kalam wanted to save his famous hair and hence agreed to raise the "citizenship" issue.

For more information on this "hair-raising" betrayal by Kalam, stay tuned to this forum. The Honourable member has more insights to share.

I now yield to the Honourable member.

The mention of Swami is enough for the Congress street dogs to bark. If Swami and Vajpayee made a reprsentation and Dr. Kalam examined and found merit in that then why is the dog barking? After Dr. Kalam is not Puppet Pratibha! And neither is Vajpayee ji a Sonia! I mean these are men of character not some power mongering Italian and a bank looting scamster.

>> He should have refused to do BJP's bidding

What a stupid statement? What bidding?

They really need to start teaching logic in Madrassas. Else stuck pig jehadis shall continue to make a public display of their stupidity.

I'd rather go by presidential press release dated May 19, 2004 when Kalam was the President of India, Kalam's own words when he responded to a specific question in an interview after his presidentiall years,and the account of PM Nair who Kalam's secretary at Rashtrapathi Bhavan and the author of 'The Kalam Effect'

"CITIZENSHIP ISSUE NOT DISCUSSED WITH SMT. SONIA GANDHI
19-05-2004 : Rashtrapati Bhavan, New Delhi
PRESS RELEASE
It has been reported in a section of the press that the President Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam had discussed the citizenship issue with Smt. Sonia Gandhi when she met him yesterday at Rashtrapati Bhavan. This is contrary to facts. It did not figure in the discussions at all."http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=1730

after the 2004 elections returned a divided verdict. Media reports said Sonia Gandhi had the support to become prime minister.Kalam wrote a letter to Sonia on May 17, inviting her to meet him the same day.
The plan was as follows: Nair would wait with a letter appointing her as prime minister in an ante room near the study in which Kalam and Sonia would meet; Kalam would ring a bell, Nair would walk in, and she would be named PM.The letter was prepared. Sonia came, but brought Manmohan Singh along. Nair waited impatiently for the bell to ring. It finally did.“I hurried out with the papers — only to see Sonia Gandhi and Dr Singh leaving. I ran into the study,” Nair writes. Sonia ultimately stepped aside for Singh. The letter was discarded, and a new one was drawn up.http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/India/2-letters-that-Kalam-wrote-and-junked/Article1-305694.aspx
.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/in-04-kalam-had-sonias-appointment-letter-ready/299438/0

+++++
The Sonia letter

I drafted the letter and he signed it on May 17, 2004 — only a letter inviting Sonia Gandhi to Rashtrapati Bhavan the same day.

I further told the President, “Sir… I shall be in the ADC’s room (which is adjacent to the study) with the letter to be signed by you, appointing Smt. Sonia Gandhi the Prime Minister of India. Please sign it, shake hands with her and congratulate her. You should also ask when she would like to be sworn in.”

“Okay,” he said. The letter inviting Sonia Gandhi for discussions was dispatched.

The appointed hour came. Sonia Gandhi arrived with Dr Manmohan Singh. I waited in the ADC’s room, alert for the bell, armed with the letter (yet to be signed) from the President appointing her the Prime Minister of India. Minutes ticked by. The bell rang. I hurried out with the papers — only to see Sonia Gandhi and Dr Singh leaving.

I ran into the study. There he was and as soon as he saw me, he said, “Mr Nair, you told me she would come with letters of support, but she came just for discussions. She said she would come again tomorrow with the letters of support from other parties. I said, ‘Why wait till tomorrow? I am available any time this afternoon or this evening. You please come as soon as you are ready with the papers. My papers are ready for you.’”

“Right, sir,” I said. “We will wait.”

Wait we did. The message came that Sonia Gandhi would meet the President at 8.15 pm on 19 May. I was ready again with my draft letter to be signed by the President. Precisely at 8.15 pm Sonia Gandhi drove in along with Dr Manmohan Singh. I waited in the anteroom. The moments ticked by.

The bell rang, and I went in. The President told me that he had been informed that it would be Dr Singh who would be the leader of the party. The letter said he was nominated the leader of the Congress Parliamentary Party and the prime ministerial candidate of the party. Letters of support from the other parties were also there.

Having been told thus, I went back to change my letter. Now the President was appointing Dr Manmohan Singh the Prime Minister. Dr Singh stood by in all humility and thanked Sonia Gandhi. The President congratulated the Prime Minister-to-be and I, having done my job, retreated.

I thought it had all ended; no, it was just the beginning. The rumour mills had already started working. They said the President refused to swear in Sonia Gandhi as Prime Minister. Some said Kalam advised her not to stake a claim. Some scribes made Kalam a hero saying he did not blot the nation’s pride by appointing her the Prime Minister! How many editorials and ‘learned’ articles there were by people on what they saw, heard or learnt when none of them was anywhere near. But then, they had the space in print and television in view, and a gullible, captive readership and audience.

The citizenship of Sonia Gandhi was the issue for them. The Supreme Court had already decided on it. Even so, many representations used to come to the President on this subject. For us in Rashtrapati Bhavan, it had already become a non issue. The Supreme Court’s verdict was clear. And the President was fully aware of it.

Excerpts from The Kalam Effect — My Years with the President;
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080427/jsp/7days/story_9194120.jsp

" He should have refused to do BJP's bidding, but the fact that he did so does not make him a bad person. " Faruki

Swami said on TV recently that neither Sonia nor Rahul can be PM due certain points raised by him.

If Congress is really serious and Congress blames Kalam Sahib of being a tool in hands of Bajapi and Swamy -(a far fetched allegation which Faruki has leveled first time and none News hungry in Media person has ever said so ) then let the Congress publish the letter which Kalam sahib wrote to Congress or Sonia Gandhi where he said certain objections have been raised to Sonia's appointment as a PM and Prez is seeking advice of the Constitutional experts .

So Sonia can come next day at 11 am to meet Prez.

I think Kalam sahib did what was required to be done by him to be doubly sure that Sonia is Constitutionally allowed to take oath.

This controversy can be rest once for all .

A 12 hrs delay in oath taking would not have played havoc with the Country.

So now question arises why Sonia backed out when she had written to Prez that she is enclosing the Letters signe dby 272 MPS endorsing her becoming the PM.
And she too appended her own letter supporting self as PM .Again Swamy on TV 

Well none of us will accuse either Swamy and Bajpai of sabotaging Sonia's PMship or can fathom the reasons of her backing out once tha facts are laid bare by the Congress .

I personally heard on TV -Joyti Basu and Som Nath Chaterjee saying after meeting Sonia that her family is against her becoming PM as they have already lost their Grandmother and Father both cruelly assassinated .And they did not want to loose the mother .Joyti da and Somnath da are towering distinguished persons and men of repute. It will be wrong not to believe them.

Now Faruki has come with his own far fetched Theory that Kalam sahib became a tool in hands of Swamy and Bajpai.

2.  Also for all intent and purpose all the power lies with Sonia Gandhi and PM Manmohan is hardly paid any heed.In pique MMS had resigned twice or thrice .

It would have been far better for the Country if Sonia had taken the charge and then she would have been answerable .Poor MMS is answerable now where as none listens him.

Perhaps this dual control has made PM ineffective.

I personally don't think there can be any objection to Sonia's becoming PM even next time if Congress come sinto power.It will be rather better than duel controls and two power centres.

 "The citizenship of Sonia Gandhi was the issue for them"

The issue was not the citizenship of Sonia but the reciprocity clause. It is a different issue.

www.indianexpress.com/news/in-04-kalam-had-sonias-appointment-letter-ready/299438/0

Chaitnaya's link .

Above link supports what Som Nath Da and Late Sh.Joyti Basu said .

Not Swami but some other pressures made Sonia to change her mind.

Presently we rely on familty pressures as the reason unless some thing more comes out .It is wrong to blame Kalam sahib for the actions of the Congress .Neither Congress ever blamed him.

Ghai,

>> Till some reliable material comes out I will trust more Som Nath Chaterjee Da and Joyoti Basu Da.

Till some reliable material comes out you should hold your judgement!

D-6/22 Faruki

Till some reliable material comes out I will trust more Som Nath Chaterjee Da and Joyoti Basu Da.Both gave us the first hand information right outside 10 Janpath .What they said even Congress has not contested till now.
If Sonia has the majority in 2014 then see is welcome to claim the postif not she then let Tahul Baba stake the claim .And if in spite of Majority in 2014 they still stays out then we have to trust Swamy.
As simple as that.

In both the cases your story Kalam as stooge of Swamy and Bajpai stands discredited.

 I think this is the same case  for the son and daughter; otherwise can anytime Nehru family remain without power, that too, when they think that becoming the Indian PM is their family's birth right!

Kautilya,

>> So it is safe to say that Sonia maataa's sacrifice story was a fairy tale to cover-up the invisible kick she received from Kalam.

It is safe to say that her story gave a cover to Kalam for being an agent of the Swamy/BJP cabal.

Irreverent,

>>  anyone who refuses to kiss the asses of the Mullahdom or the sickulars (preferably, both) must be from the BJP/Swamy cabal.

What an idiotic comment from this pathetic hatemonger! Kalam is an honorable man and his integrity is not in question. The question is why did Swamy and Vajpayee not do the dirty deed themselves? Why did they have to get the President involved?

Irreverent,

>>  If you call Kalam as "agent of Swamy/BJP cabal",

He did it because he was asked to do it. He can be faulted for an error in judgement. But the villains are those who asked him to do it, Swamy and Vajpayee. But I expect such distinctions must be beyond you.

Haryanvi,

>> Even the worst hate monger will not talk about Kalam ji the most noble person like this.

But a hatemonger like you will not miss this opportunity to smear me! I respect Kalam and I do not think what he did was in any way dishonorable. I do think however that Swamy and Vajpayee should have handled it themselves because it was a political matter, and the President should have been kept out of it.

Ghai,

>> Now you are accusing Kalam sahib acting as tool in hands of Swamy and Bajapi .

He should have refused to do BJP's bidding, but the fact that he did so does not make him a bad person.

Ghai,

>> Till some reliable material comes out I will trust more Som Nath Chaterjee Da and Joyoti Basu Da.

Till some reliable material comes out you should hold your judgement!

>> CITIZENSHIP ISSUE NOT DISCUSSED WITH SMT. SONIA GANDHI

Good input from Mr. Chaitanya. There was no reason to discuss the citizenship issue, because she was an Indian citizen. The rest of the account tells us what Mr. Nair knew. Did he know everything?

Whatever,

>> did Nair know everything?

Read the article first.

I'd rather go by presidential press release dated May 19, 2004 when Kalam was the President of India, Kalam's own words when he responded to a specific question in an interview after his presidentiall years,and the account of PM Nair who Kalam's secretary at Rashtrapathi Bhavan and the author of 'The Kalam Effect'

"CITIZENSHIP ISSUE NOT DISCUSSED WITH SMT. SONIA GANDHI
19-05-2004 : Rashtrapati Bhavan, New Delhi
PRESS RELEASE
It has been reported in a section of the press that the President Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam had discussed the citizenship issue with Smt. Sonia Gandhi when she met him yesterday at Rashtrapati Bhavan. This is contrary to facts. It did not figure in the discussions at all."http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=1730

after the 2004 elections returned a divided verdict. Media reports said Sonia Gandhi had the support to become prime minister.Kalam wrote a letter to Sonia on May 17, inviting her to meet him the same day.
The plan was as follows: Nair would wait with a letter appointing her as prime minister in an ante room near the study in which Kalam and Sonia would meet; Kalam would ring a bell, Nair would walk in, and she would be named PM.The letter was prepared. Sonia came, but brought Manmohan Singh along. Nair waited impatiently for the bell to ring. It finally did.“I hurried out with the papers — only to see Sonia Gandhi and Dr Singh leaving. I ran into the study,” Nair writes. Sonia ultimately stepped aside for Singh. The letter was discarded, and a new one was drawn up.http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/India/2-letters-that-Kalam-wrote-and-junked/Article1-305694.aspx
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http://www.indianexpress.com/news/in-04-kalam-had-sonias-appointment-letter-ready/299438/0

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The Sonia letter

I drafted the letter and he signed it on May 17, 2004 — only a letter inviting Sonia Gandhi to Rashtrapati Bhavan the same day.

I further told the President, “Sir… I shall be in the ADC’s room (which is adjacent to the study) with the letter to be signed by you, appointing Smt. Sonia Gandhi the Prime Minister of India. Please sign it, shake hands with her and congratulate her. You should also ask when she would like to be sworn in.”

“Okay,” he said. The letter inviting Sonia Gandhi for discussions was dispatched.

The appointed hour came. Sonia Gandhi arrived with Dr Manmohan Singh. I waited in the ADC’s room, alert for the bell, armed with the letter (yet to be signed) from the President appointing her the Prime Minister of India. Minutes ticked by. The bell rang. I hurried out with the papers — only to see Sonia Gandhi and Dr Singh leaving.

I ran into the study. There he was and as soon as he saw me, he said, “Mr Nair, you told me she would come with letters of support, but she came just for discussions. She said she would come again tomorrow with the letters of support from other parties. I said, ‘Why wait till tomorrow? I am available any time this afternoon or this evening. You please come as soon as you are ready with the papers. My papers are ready for you.’”

“Right, sir,” I said. “We will wait.”

Wait we did. The message came that Sonia Gandhi would meet the President at 8.15 pm on 19 May. I was ready again with my draft letter to be signed by the President. Precisely at 8.15 pm Sonia Gandhi drove in along with Dr Manmohan Singh. I waited in the anteroom. The moments ticked by.

The bell rang, and I went in. The President told me that he had been informed that it would be Dr Singh who would be the leader of the party. The letter said he was nominated the leader of the Congress Parliamentary Party and the prime ministerial candidate of the party. Letters of support from the other parties were also there.

Having been told thus, I went back to change my letter. Now the President was appointing Dr Manmohan Singh the Prime Minister. Dr Singh stood by in all humility and thanked Sonia Gandhi. The President congratulated the Prime Minister-to-be and I, having done my job, retreated.

I thought it had all ended; no, it was just the beginning. The rumour mills had already started working. They said the President refused to swear in Sonia Gandhi as Prime Minister. Some said Kalam advised her not to stake a claim. Some scribes made Kalam a hero saying he did not blot the nation’s pride by appointing her the Prime Minister! How many editorials and ‘learned’ articles there were by people on what they saw, heard or learnt when none of them was anywhere near. But then, they had the space in print and television in view, and a gullible, captive readership and audience.

The citizenship of Sonia Gandhi was the issue for them. The Supreme Court had already decided on it. Even so, many representations used to come to the President on this subject. For us in Rashtrapati Bhavan, it had already become a non issue. The Supreme Court’s verdict was clear. And the President was fully aware of it.

Excerpts from The Kalam Effect — My Years with the President;
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080427/jsp/7days/story_9194120.jsp

 So it is safe to say that Sonia maataa's sacrifice story was a fairy tale to cover-up the invisible kick she received from Kalam. That is exactly the reason for her venom and antipathy for a patriotic and exemplary Indian like Kalam. I wonder what it makes her!!!

D-6/22 Faruki

Till some reliable material comes out I will trust more Som Nath Chaterjee Da and Joyoti Basu Da.Both gave us the first hand information right outside 10 Janpath .What they said even Congress has not contested till now.
If Sonia has the majority in 2014 then see is welcome to claim the postif not she then let Tahul Baba stake the claim .And if in spite of Majority in 2014 they still stays out then we have to trust Swamy.
As simple as that.

In both the cases your story Kalam as stooge of Swamy and Bajpai stands discredited.

Ghai,

>> blames Kalam Sahib of being a tool in hands of Bajapi and Swamy.

Not true as far as Mr. Nair is concerned, but it was one of the stories that did circulate at the time. This article says, " "Letter written by Dr Subramanian Swamy, President, Janata Party to the President was inter alia, a communication sent in confidence by him to the President, based on which President exercised his/her discretion to appoint the Prime Minister under Article 75," the Secretariat said in an RTI reply to activist Subhash Agrawal." The article also says, "The President's Secretariat has refused to give a copy of Swamy's letter saying the disclosure would be a breach of confidentiality and fiduciary relationship and therefore attracts section 8(1)(e) of RTI Act."

www.indianexpress.com/news/in-04-kalam-had-sonias-appointment-letter-ready/299438/0

Chaitnaya's link .

Above link supports what Som Nath Da and Late Sh.Joyti Basu said .

Not Swami but some other pressures made Sonia to change her mind.

Presently we rely on familty pressures as the reason unless some thing more comes out .It is wrong to blame Kalam sahib for the actions of the Congress .Neither Congress ever blamed him.

" He should have refused to do BJP's bidding, but the fact that he did so does not make him a bad person. " Faruki

Swami said on TV recently that neither Sonia nor Rahul can be PM due certain points raised by him.

If Congress is really serious and Congress blames Kalam Sahib of being a tool in hands of Bajapi and Swamy -(a far fetched allegation which Faruki has leveled first time and none News hungry in Media person has ever said so ) then let the Congress publish the letter which Kalam sahib wrote to Congress or Sonia Gandhi where he said certain objections have been raised to Sonia's appointment as a PM and Prez is seeking advice of the Constitutional experts .

So Sonia can come next day at 11 am to meet Prez.

I think Kalam sahib did what was required to be done by him to be doubly sure that Sonia is Constitutionally allowed to take oath.

This controversy can be rest once for all .

A 12 hrs delay in oath taking would not have played havoc with the Country.

So now question arises why Sonia backed out when she had written to Prez that she is enclosing the Letters signe dby 272 MPS endorsing her becoming the PM.
And she too appended her own letter supporting self as PM .Again Swamy on TV 

Well none of us will accuse either Swamy and Bajpai of sabotaging Sonia's PMship or can fathom the reasons of her backing out once tha facts are laid bare by the Congress .

I personally heard on TV -Joyti Basu and Som Nath Chaterjee saying after meeting Sonia that her family is against her becoming PM as they have already lost their Grandmother and Father both cruelly assassinated .And they did not want to loose the mother .Joyti da and Somnath da are towering distinguished persons and men of repute. It will be wrong not to believe them.

Now Faruki has come with his own far fetched Theory that Kalam sahib became a tool in hands of Swamy and Bajpai.

2.  Also for all intent and purpose all the power lies with Sonia Gandhi and PM Manmohan is hardly paid any heed.In pique MMS had resigned twice or thrice .

It would have been far better for the Country if Sonia had taken the charge and then she would have been answerable .Poor MMS is answerable now where as none listens him.

Perhaps this dual control has made PM ineffective.

I personally don't think there can be any objection to Sonia's becoming PM even next time if Congress come sinto power.It will be rather better than duel controls and two power centres.

 Her Holiness Saint Sonia turns out to be a fake Saint!! Not that we did not know it before. 

What is surprising is how many people fell for this chicanery-even after 1999 when Sonia brazenly lied about having 272 MPs.

Some people can be fooled all the time and in India, the majority appears to fit that bill.