E.V.R.NAIKER

<<For me, USA = KSA, both are highly undemocratic in every aspects>>

In USA, you are allowed to follow your religion, in KSA, a non Muslim can't be a citizen. Still I am going to give you a pass over this. 

In my opinion, anybody can showcase their habits in a democratic way in India as long as it doesn't violate the law of land.

Democracy is a Western concept and the present parliamentary democracy has its origins in enlightenment. There is a concept of General Will by Rousseau in his book Social Contact which is the base of democracy. The idea of General Will is that people surrender their individual freedom and  they acquire political liberty and civil rights within a system of laws based on the “general will” of the governed. It means that in democracy, people have laws that are acceptable to all the people of the country. It might take a complete book to make you understand that. 

<<Why did this thugs take law into their hand?>>

Last time I was left wondering when in Haldwani, people desecrated a holy book and a riot followed. You see, we are a mob that can't be controlled all the times. 

<<Why did they single out Dalits and attacked them when Star hotels organize Beef Fest on daily basis??>>

I am sorry, I have never been to a 5 star hotel. Though people can riot there as well if they want to. But that is certainly a valid point. 

>> In my opinion, anybody can showcase their habits in a democratic way in India as long as it doesn't violate the law of land.

Yes. It might not always be a smart idea; e.g., a bunch of missionaries standing outside a mosque waiting to preach to the people coming outside after Friday prayers might be within the law, but shall be idiotic.

>> Why did this thugs take law into their hand?

Yes. This is the main issue here. Right to offend is a part of freedom of expression. ABVP had a right to protest peacefully, or complain to the authorities if they felt that any laws were broken. They had no business starting violence. They deserve to be charged and prosecuted.

Reply to YHWH HELLHOLE

>>You can be jailed for eating dog meat in USA and pork in Saudi Arabia. Every country has its ethics<< It is part of your first comment. For me, USA = KSA, both are highly undemocratic in every aspects. Only slaves have high opinion of their racist master.

In my opinion, anybody can showcase their habits in a democratic way in India as long as it doesn't violate the law of land. If someone doesn't like it, he should approach the law enforcement authority as a legitimate way in a democracy. Why did this thugs take law into their hand?? Why did they single out Dalits and attacked them when Star hotels organize Beef Fest on daily basis??

No matter majority or minority, it is highly absurd imposing your habit on me in a democracy.

 Mr..NAIKER

Has Indian constitution banned beef? No, Indian constitution hasn't. But then, has American constituion banned dog meat? Again, it hasn't. I am strictly talking about democracies, for this reason KSA won't be appropriate example as it is a theocratic state which is obviously a totalitarian state in disguise with ultimate authority given to imagination of humans. 

Your other point is

It is utter childish argument that majority should abide by the ethics applicable to a small minority especially in a democracy.

The argument doesn't stand as I can vouch, even in absense of any emperical data that majority of Indians are not beef eaters. For Brahmins, meat eating is a taboo who are a small percentage. But the rest upper castes, middle castes and even lower castes, who eat meat generally don't eat beef. This means that beef eating is restricted to Dalits, Muslims and Christians. In these three, there would be vegetarians and non beef eaters which brings down the percentage to less than 30 percent with all the generosity. 

Now if majority ethics are to be followed by minorities, this means that in India, where non beef eaters are in majority who generally have no problem with pork, people should be allowed to eat pork in public offices, school/college canteens.  Will that be fine with you? 

Reply to 32/D-105

I agree with you there are ethics in different parts of the world. If you eat dog and pork in USA and KSA respectively, you will be  imprisoned. Why??? Because their constitutions have made eating such animals taboo in those nations. Ethics in these countries are taken into account while their constitutions are developed. Has Indian constitution banned eating beef?

It is utter childish argument that majority should abide by the ethics applicable to a small minority especially in a democracy.

Reply to 32/D-105

I agree with you there are ethics in different parts of the world. If you eat dog and pork in USA and KSA respectively, you will be  imprisoned. Why??? Because their constitutions have made eating such animals taboo in those nations. Ethics in these countries are taken into account while their constitutions are developed. Has Indian constitution banned eating beef?

It is utter childish argument that majority should abide by the ethics applicable to a small minority especially in a democracy.

 Can't we take anything which Brahmins don't take?

And by this you mean it is only Brahmins who don't eat beef other than Kashmiri Pundits. How about Rajputs, Yadavs, OBC, and blah blah. Majority don't eat beef in India and it is more about ethics than about democracy. 

You can be jailed for eating dog meat in USA and pork in Saudi Arabia. Every country has its ethics. No one is stopping Dalit from beef but why do dalits want to showcase their beed eating habits. And if nutrition is one reason, why not pork. Pork is cheaper and very nutritional. 

Is it democracy or demoncrazy? How can one group stop another from eating the things they like in a secular democracy? This is really nothing but terrorism. Can't we take anything which Brahmins don't take? As I understand, Kashmiri Brahmins take even beef and Bangali Brahmins take fish. For poor Indians, beef is regarded as a source of cheap protein. It is highly absurd to see that many are commenting in support of this cultural fascism. Why don't these fascists protest against the Star hotels in our cities ,where beef festival is organized on a daily basis? Because the star hotels belong to upper class/caste people !!!

Let these cultural fascists study the ancient Bharatiya scriptures, which invarably promote Yagas and Yagnas by slaughtering different types of animals including COW. How many know about Pashupathi Nath temple in Nepal where hundreds of Buffallos are being sacrificed/slaughtered in a day?

Fascist terrorism being promoted by Hindutva/Brahmanawad communal elements is a real threat to "Unity in diversity", a bonding force for genuine national integration. 

 I am not sure about the percentage of Indians who eat beef or percentage of non vegetarian Indians. The only fact we know is that India is the second largest producer of leather, includung cow skin. Hindus can wear what Hindus can't eat. Not bad so as to say, Bt cotton is allowed but Bt Briginal can't. 

But my earlier reply was simply with reference to freedom of expression. " Faruki

' Beef fest turns into a slugfest at Osmania

Protesters clash inside University, 1 student stabbed, 5 others injured

The beef festival organised by a group of students and staff at the Osmania University turned into a battlefield on Sunday night. Students’ groups supporting and opposing the much-hyped beef festival clashed throughout the night.

Police used teargas shells and batons to disperse the clashing groups. The campus, which witnessed many violent protests over separate Telangana state during last two years, had turned into a warzone.

Police used teargas shells to disperse the crowd which torched two vehicles

Both the groups pelted stones at each other and torched a media vehicle and a state transport bus. One student was stabbed in the fight and over five of them were reported injured. The injured are undergoing treatment at the state-run Gandhi hospital."

www.punemirror.in/article/4/201204172012041702365096857248187/Beef-fest-turns-into-a-slugfest-at-Osmania.html

They are throwing stones and stabbing each other now. Soon ISI Terrorist Modules will move in and will be killing with Guns !

Dekhate jaiye aap ki Freedom of expression
Aur kaya kya Rang lati hein !

" With huge population being quite poor, and meat in general being more expensive, I would be surprised if around half the people ate beef. Is there any study to prove this? '

No study but I am told that a Cow after seeing the human beings' sufferings from hunger pangs for want of cheaper mutton to eat that she readily offered to be Halaled gladly .

And she was .

The NSS survey shows 42% of households in India are pure vegetarian. Hence assuming another 7-8% also consumes eggs, the %age consuming non-veg would be about 50%. Out of this, most regions except Kerala and north-east do not consume beef. Dalits constitute only 16% of total population. It is a canard that all Dalits consume beef. So this 50% of Indians eating beef is just sheer propaganda.

>> A: It was stated by someone on this forum few years ago.
>> K: But does that constitute evidence?
>> A: But you did not give me any other figure or even a guess! Consequently 50% stands!

contd....

K. Who stated it ?

A: I think it was me

K. Why didn't you say so ?

A. You never asked.

A: 50% of Indians eat beef.
K: What is the evidence?
A: It was stated by someone on this forum few years ago.
K: But does that constitute evidence?
A: But you did not give me any other figure or even a guess! Consequently 50% stands!

This is Romila Thapar School of intellectual discourse.
 

>> If I read a figure, I may quote it

And if I don't read one, I may invent it.

>> This is not the Annals of National Statistics

So all jehadi bullshit can be spread around.

>> This is just a readers' forum

Where the jehadi has doubted entries from credible sources without presenting any counter evidence.

>> My last post in this ugly exchange with this hate-crazed stalker.

Mommy, mommy. These nationalist, erudite, smart guys are regularly kicking my ass. I continue to whine like a stuck pig, but they don't show any mercy. Can you please get MMS to declare that minorities have the first and only right to throw insults at others.

>> Not everyone is prone to given wild speculative figures sans any proof

The usual hateful rubbish from this moron! If I read a figure, I may quote it. If I am wrong, someone will correct it. This is not the Annals of National Statistics. This is just a readers' forum. My last post in this ugly exchange with this hate-crazed stalker.

>> but you did not give me an alternative figure, or even a guess

Not everyone is prone to given wild speculative figures sans any proof, based entirely on guesswork, conjecture and plain old stupidity. Such exclusiveness is reserved for stuck pig jehadis.

Others rely on facts from credible sources, which can be challenged by equally credible sources.

>> From Goebbel's manual.

India's "eminent historians" inherited this manual from Goebbel, and now seem to have passed it on to jehadis.

>> Next you will find him quoting himself to buttress this point.

Already seems to be happening. A vague reference to some post on these forums couple of years back (with not even a fake link this time), which might never have been written, or written by himself.

Suresh,

>> "A comment in this forum two or three years ago ..." is authoritative proof for you ?

No more authoratative than most comments in this forum, but you did not give me an alternative figure, or even a guess.

>> A comment in this forum two or three years ago said that 70% of Indians eat meat and 50% eat beef

Oh dear god!

"A comment in this forum two or three years ago ..." is authoritative proof for you ?

Suresh,

>>>> >> About 50% of Indians beef
>>  From Goebbel's manual.

A comment in this forum two or three years ago said that 70% of Indians eat meat and 50% eat beef. If you have more authorotative figures please share them with us.

>> About 50% of Indians beef

> Wonder where this data comes from

From Goebbel's manual. Next you will find him quoting himself to buttress this point.

>>About 50% of Indians beef

Absolute BS!

Was this a ploy by the govt to break the unity over Telangana?

www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-beef-controversy-new-ploy-to-dent-telangana-stir/20120416.htm

Irreverent,

>> Lock all these jokers in the cowshed. That is where they belong. However, the cows may find it offending to be in company of their self-proclaimed worshippers.

If you have nothing to say, you don't have to strain yourself to say something.

Lock all these jokers in the cowshed. That is where they belong. However, the cows may find it offending to be in company of their self-proclaimed worshippers.

>> About 50% of Indians beef

Wonder where this data comes from.

With huge population being quite poor, and meat in general being more expensive, I would be surprised if around half the people ate beef. Is there any study to prove this?

People should be free to eat beef, and organize such festivals.

People should be free to oppose eating beef, as well as oppose such festivals.

Simple query here should be about who started the violence?

Ghai,

>> And also don't forget to give the right to express to those who ask for Pork Festival .

You certainly have a right to have a Pork Festival. By the way, beef is eaten not just by Muslims and Christians. About 50% of Indians beef. But my earlier reply (comment # 2) was simply with reference to freedom of expression. Because of health reasons, I rarely eat beef.

 The group of students in this case were Dalit students.

COMMUNAL AWARD, TOKYO

If I am not mistaken, you are the troll one with pseudonym  4th August 1932, Tokyo all over the internet? 

" Whether Indians can eat beef or not is one thing, but there should be no doubt as to whether they have a right to expess their views and demands. '

Very well

And also don't forget to give the right to express to those who ask for Pork Festival .

Grant of such Rights to express will turn into real Riots.

In Punjabi we say : Bi Jamalo -Ghas mein aag laga ke Tamasha Dekh rahi !

Sorry sir we don't want such Rights to Express .Already Hyderabad has enough trouble makers .Don't give them more chances to burn the City any more.

British gave independence to SC/ST communities in 4th August 1932 Round Table Conference.
Gandhi begged British to not implement "Communal Award" to promote Forward caste hegemony in India.
 

Afraid to take your caste share of land as per “Communal Award” and build your own nation?
 

This food fascism should end. Pork and Beef should be available and consumed if the students desire. Eating habits are personal preferences and not something to be debated in assemblies.

Anwaar

You hail from such a community where people are litrally pantophagist...they just simply love to consume flesh. Forgive me if you are an exception !!

Pradip Singh,

>>  they should be bundled out to where their ancestors went - the Land of the Pure.

What a hateful post written by someone living where beef is widely consumed! Whether Indians can eat beef or not is one thing, but there should be no doubt as to whether they have a right to expess their views and demands.

If they are that keen on causing gatuitous insult and offence, they should be bundled out to where their ancestors went - the Land of the Pure. They will enjoy peaceful life amongst their Pure brethren.

" Whether Indians can eat beef or not is one thing, but there should be no doubt as to whether they have a right to expess their views and demands. '

Very well

And also don't forget to give the right to express to those who ask for Pork Festival .

Grant of such Rights to express will turn into real Riots.

In Punjabi we say : Bi Jamalo -Ghas mein aag laga ke Tamasha Dekh rahi !

Sorry sir we don't want such Rights to Express .Already Hyderabad has enough trouble makers .Don't give them more chances to burn the City any more.

Anwaar

You hail from such a community where people are litrally pantophagist...they just simply love to consume flesh. Forgive me if you are an exception !!

A: 50% of Indians eat beef.
K: What is the evidence?
A: It was stated by someone on this forum few years ago.
K: But does that constitute evidence?
A: But you did not give me any other figure or even a guess! Consequently 50% stands!

This is Romila Thapar School of intellectual discourse.
 

If they are that keen on causing gatuitous insult and offence, they should be bundled out to where their ancestors went - the Land of the Pure. They will enjoy peaceful life amongst their Pure brethren.

>> If I read a figure, I may quote it

And if I don't read one, I may invent it.

>> This is not the Annals of National Statistics

So all jehadi bullshit can be spread around.

>> This is just a readers' forum

Where the jehadi has doubted entries from credible sources without presenting any counter evidence.

>> My last post in this ugly exchange with this hate-crazed stalker.

Mommy, mommy. These nationalist, erudite, smart guys are regularly kicking my ass. I continue to whine like a stuck pig, but they don't show any mercy. Can you please get MMS to declare that minorities have the first and only right to throw insults at others.

>> A: It was stated by someone on this forum few years ago.
>> K: But does that constitute evidence?
>> A: But you did not give me any other figure or even a guess! Consequently 50% stands!

contd....

K. Who stated it ?

A: I think it was me

K. Why didn't you say so ?

A. You never asked.

People should be free to eat beef, and organize such festivals.

People should be free to oppose eating beef, as well as oppose such festivals.

Simple query here should be about who started the violence?

>> About 50% of Indians beef

> Wonder where this data comes from

From Goebbel's manual. Next you will find him quoting himself to buttress this point.

The NSS survey shows 42% of households in India are pure vegetarian. Hence assuming another 7-8% also consumes eggs, the %age consuming non-veg would be about 50%. Out of this, most regions except Kerala and north-east do not consume beef. Dalits constitute only 16% of total population. It is a canard that all Dalits consume beef. So this 50% of Indians eating beef is just sheer propaganda.

>> About 50% of Indians beef

Wonder where this data comes from.

With huge population being quite poor, and meat in general being more expensive, I would be surprised if around half the people ate beef. Is there any study to prove this?

>> but you did not give me an alternative figure, or even a guess

Not everyone is prone to given wild speculative figures sans any proof, based entirely on guesswork, conjecture and plain old stupidity. Such exclusiveness is reserved for stuck pig jehadis.

Others rely on facts from credible sources, which can be challenged by equally credible sources.

>> From Goebbel's manual.

India's "eminent historians" inherited this manual from Goebbel, and now seem to have passed it on to jehadis.

>> Next you will find him quoting himself to buttress this point.

Already seems to be happening. A vague reference to some post on these forums couple of years back (with not even a fake link this time), which might never have been written, or written by himself.

"A comment in this forum two or three years ago ..." is authoritative proof for you ?

But my earlier reply was simply with reference to freedom of expression. " Faruki

' Beef fest turns into a slugfest at Osmania

Protesters clash inside University, 1 student stabbed, 5 others injured

The beef festival organised by a group of students and staff at the Osmania University turned into a battlefield on Sunday night. Students’ groups supporting and opposing the much-hyped beef festival clashed throughout the night.

Police used teargas shells and batons to disperse the clashing groups. The campus, which witnessed many violent protests over separate Telangana state during last two years, had turned into a warzone.

Police used teargas shells to disperse the crowd which torched two vehicles

Both the groups pelted stones at each other and torched a media vehicle and a state transport bus. One student was stabbed in the fight and over five of them were reported injured. The injured are undergoing treatment at the state-run Gandhi hospital."

www.punemirror.in/article/4/201204172012041702365096857248187/Beef-fest-turns-into-a-slugfest-at-Osmania.html

They are throwing stones and stabbing each other now. Soon ISI Terrorist Modules will move in and will be killing with Guns !

Dekhate jaiye aap ki Freedom of expression
Aur kaya kya Rang lati hein !

>>About 50% of Indians beef

Absolute BS!

Is it democracy or demoncrazy? How can one group stop another from eating the things they like in a secular democracy? This is really nothing but terrorism. Can't we take anything which Brahmins don't take? As I understand, Kashmiri Brahmins take even beef and Bangali Brahmins take fish. For poor Indians, beef is regarded as a source of cheap protein. It is highly absurd to see that many are commenting in support of this cultural fascism. Why don't these fascists protest against the Star hotels in our cities ,where beef festival is organized on a daily basis? Because the star hotels belong to upper class/caste people !!!

Let these cultural fascists study the ancient Bharatiya scriptures, which invarably promote Yagas and Yagnas by slaughtering different types of animals including COW. How many know about Pashupathi Nath temple in Nepal where hundreds of Buffallos are being sacrificed/slaughtered in a day?

Fascist terrorism being promoted by Hindutva/Brahmanawad communal elements is a real threat to "Unity in diversity", a bonding force for genuine national integration. 

 The group of students in this case were Dalit students.

COMMUNAL AWARD, TOKYO

If I am not mistaken, you are the troll one with pseudonym  4th August 1932, Tokyo all over the internet? 

 Can't we take anything which Brahmins don't take?

And by this you mean it is only Brahmins who don't eat beef other than Kashmiri Pundits. How about Rajputs, Yadavs, OBC, and blah blah. Majority don't eat beef in India and it is more about ethics than about democracy. 

You can be jailed for eating dog meat in USA and pork in Saudi Arabia. Every country has its ethics. No one is stopping Dalit from beef but why do dalits want to showcase their beed eating habits. And if nutrition is one reason, why not pork. Pork is cheaper and very nutritional. 

Was this a ploy by the govt to break the unity over Telangana?

www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/slide-show-1-beef-controversy-new-ploy-to-dent-telangana-stir/20120416.htm

Irreverent,

>> Lock all these jokers in the cowshed. That is where they belong. However, the cows may find it offending to be in company of their self-proclaimed worshippers.

If you have nothing to say, you don't have to strain yourself to say something.

" With huge population being quite poor, and meat in general being more expensive, I would be surprised if around half the people ate beef. Is there any study to prove this? '

No study but I am told that a Cow after seeing the human beings' sufferings from hunger pangs for want of cheaper mutton to eat that she readily offered to be Halaled gladly .

And she was .

This food fascism should end. Pork and Beef should be available and consumed if the students desire. Eating habits are personal preferences and not something to be debated in assemblies.

>> In my opinion, anybody can showcase their habits in a democratic way in India as long as it doesn't violate the law of land.

Yes. It might not always be a smart idea; e.g., a bunch of missionaries standing outside a mosque waiting to preach to the people coming outside after Friday prayers might be within the law, but shall be idiotic.

>> Why did this thugs take law into their hand?

Yes. This is the main issue here. Right to offend is a part of freedom of expression. ABVP had a right to protest peacefully, or complain to the authorities if they felt that any laws were broken. They had no business starting violence. They deserve to be charged and prosecuted.

Reply to YHWH HELLHOLE

>>You can be jailed for eating dog meat in USA and pork in Saudi Arabia. Every country has its ethics<< It is part of your first comment. For me, USA = KSA, both are highly undemocratic in every aspects. Only slaves have high opinion of their racist master.

In my opinion, anybody can showcase their habits in a democratic way in India as long as it doesn't violate the law of land. If someone doesn't like it, he should approach the law enforcement authority as a legitimate way in a democracy. Why did this thugs take law into their hand?? Why did they single out Dalits and attacked them when Star hotels organize Beef Fest on daily basis??

No matter majority or minority, it is highly absurd imposing your habit on me in a democracy.

 Mr..NAIKER

Has Indian constitution banned beef? No, Indian constitution hasn't. But then, has American constituion banned dog meat? Again, it hasn't. I am strictly talking about democracies, for this reason KSA won't be appropriate example as it is a theocratic state which is obviously a totalitarian state in disguise with ultimate authority given to imagination of humans. 

Your other point is

It is utter childish argument that majority should abide by the ethics applicable to a small minority especially in a democracy.

The argument doesn't stand as I can vouch, even in absense of any emperical data that majority of Indians are not beef eaters. For Brahmins, meat eating is a taboo who are a small percentage. But the rest upper castes, middle castes and even lower castes, who eat meat generally don't eat beef. This means that beef eating is restricted to Dalits, Muslims and Christians. In these three, there would be vegetarians and non beef eaters which brings down the percentage to less than 30 percent with all the generosity. 

Now if majority ethics are to be followed by minorities, this means that in India, where non beef eaters are in majority who generally have no problem with pork, people should be allowed to eat pork in public offices, school/college canteens.  Will that be fine with you? 

>> A comment in this forum two or three years ago said that 70% of Indians eat meat and 50% eat beef

Oh dear god!

Pradip Singh,

>>  they should be bundled out to where their ancestors went - the Land of the Pure.

What a hateful post written by someone living where beef is widely consumed! Whether Indians can eat beef or not is one thing, but there should be no doubt as to whether they have a right to expess their views and demands.

Reply to 32/D-105

I agree with you there are ethics in different parts of the world. If you eat dog and pork in USA and KSA respectively, you will be  imprisoned. Why??? Because their constitutions have made eating such animals taboo in those nations. Ethics in these countries are taken into account while their constitutions are developed. Has Indian constitution banned eating beef?

It is utter childish argument that majority should abide by the ethics applicable to a small minority especially in a democracy.

Reply to 32/D-105

I agree with you there are ethics in different parts of the world. If you eat dog and pork in USA and KSA respectively, you will be  imprisoned. Why??? Because their constitutions have made eating such animals taboo in those nations. Ethics in these countries are taken into account while their constitutions are developed. Has Indian constitution banned eating beef?

It is utter childish argument that majority should abide by the ethics applicable to a small minority especially in a democracy.

Ghai,

>> And also don't forget to give the right to express to those who ask for Pork Festival .

You certainly have a right to have a Pork Festival. By the way, beef is eaten not just by Muslims and Christians. About 50% of Indians beef. But my earlier reply (comment # 2) was simply with reference to freedom of expression. Because of health reasons, I rarely eat beef.

Pradip Singh,

>>  they should be bundled out to where their ancestors went - the Land of the Pure.

What a hateful post written by someone living where beef is widely consumed! Whether Indians can eat beef or not is one thing, but there should be no doubt as to whether they have a right to expess their views and demands.

Is it democracy or demoncrazy? How can one group stop another from eating the things they like in a secular democracy? This is really nothing but terrorism. Can't we take anything which Brahmins don't take? As I understand, Kashmiri Brahmins take even beef and Bangali Brahmins take fish. For poor Indians, beef is regarded as a source of cheap protein. It is highly absurd to see that many are commenting in support of this cultural fascism. Why don't these fascists protest against the Star hotels in our cities ,where beef festival is organized on a daily basis? Because the star hotels belong to upper class/caste people !!!

Let these cultural fascists study the ancient Bharatiya scriptures, which invarably promote Yagas and Yagnas by slaughtering different types of animals including COW. How many know about Pashupathi Nath temple in Nepal where hundreds of Buffallos are being sacrificed/slaughtered in a day?

Fascist terrorism being promoted by Hindutva/Brahmanawad communal elements is a real threat to "Unity in diversity", a bonding force for genuine national integration. 

British gave independence to SC/ST communities in 4th August 1932 Round Table Conference.
Gandhi begged British to not implement "Communal Award" to promote Forward caste hegemony in India.
 

Afraid to take your caste share of land as per “Communal Award” and build your own nation?
 

>> Not everyone is prone to given wild speculative figures sans any proof

The usual hateful rubbish from this moron! If I read a figure, I may quote it. If I am wrong, someone will correct it. This is not the Annals of National Statistics. This is just a readers' forum. My last post in this ugly exchange with this hate-crazed stalker.

Suresh,

>> "A comment in this forum two or three years ago ..." is authoritative proof for you ?

No more authoratative than most comments in this forum, but you did not give me an alternative figure, or even a guess.

Ghai,

>> And also don't forget to give the right to express to those who ask for Pork Festival .

You certainly have a right to have a Pork Festival. By the way, beef is eaten not just by Muslims and Christians. About 50% of Indians beef. But my earlier reply (comment # 2) was simply with reference to freedom of expression. Because of health reasons, I rarely eat beef.

Suresh,

>>>> >> About 50% of Indians beef
>>  From Goebbel's manual.

A comment in this forum two or three years ago said that 70% of Indians eat meat and 50% eat beef. If you have more authorotative figures please share them with us.

If they are that keen on causing gatuitous insult and offence, they should be bundled out to where their ancestors went - the Land of the Pure. They will enjoy peaceful life amongst their Pure brethren.

Reply to 32/D-105

I agree with you there are ethics in different parts of the world. If you eat dog and pork in USA and KSA respectively, you will be  imprisoned. Why??? Because their constitutions have made eating such animals taboo in those nations. Ethics in these countries are taken into account while their constitutions are developed. Has Indian constitution banned eating beef?

It is utter childish argument that majority should abide by the ethics applicable to a small minority especially in a democracy.

Lock all these jokers in the cowshed. That is where they belong. However, the cows may find it offending to be in company of their self-proclaimed worshippers.

Reply to YHWH HELLHOLE

>>You can be jailed for eating dog meat in USA and pork in Saudi Arabia. Every country has its ethics<< It is part of your first comment. For me, USA = KSA, both are highly undemocratic in every aspects. Only slaves have high opinion of their racist master.

In my opinion, anybody can showcase their habits in a democratic way in India as long as it doesn't violate the law of land. If someone doesn't like it, he should approach the law enforcement authority as a legitimate way in a democracy. Why did this thugs take law into their hand?? Why did they single out Dalits and attacked them when Star hotels organize Beef Fest on daily basis??

No matter majority or minority, it is highly absurd imposing your habit on me in a democracy.

 I am not sure about the percentage of Indians who eat beef or percentage of non vegetarian Indians. The only fact we know is that India is the second largest producer of leather, includung cow skin. Hindus can wear what Hindus can't eat. Not bad so as to say, Bt cotton is allowed but Bt Briginal can't. 

" With huge population being quite poor, and meat in general being more expensive, I would be surprised if around half the people ate beef. Is there any study to prove this? '

No study but I am told that a Cow after seeing the human beings' sufferings from hunger pangs for want of cheaper mutton to eat that she readily offered to be Halaled gladly .

And she was .

 E.V.R.NAIKER

<<For me, USA = KSA, both are highly undemocratic in every aspects>>

In USA, you are allowed to follow your religion, in KSA, a non Muslim can't be a citizen. Still I am going to give you a pass over this. 

In my opinion, anybody can showcase their habits in a democratic way in India as long as it doesn't violate the law of land.

Democracy is a Western concept and the present parliamentary democracy has its origins in enlightenment. There is a concept of General Will by Rousseau in his book Social Contact which is the base of democracy. The idea of General Will is that people surrender their individual freedom and  they acquire political liberty and civil rights within a system of laws based on the “general will” of the governed. It means that in democracy, people have laws that are acceptable to all the people of the country. It might take a complete book to make you understand that. 

<<Why did this thugs take law into their hand?>>

Last time I was left wondering when in Haldwani, people desecrated a holy book and a riot followed. You see, we are a mob that can't be controlled all the times. 

<<Why did they single out Dalits and attacked them when Star hotels organize Beef Fest on daily basis??>>

I am sorry, I have never been to a 5 star hotel. Though people can riot there as well if they want to. But that is certainly a valid point. 

 Mr..NAIKER

Has Indian constitution banned beef? No, Indian constitution hasn't. But then, has American constituion banned dog meat? Again, it hasn't. I am strictly talking about democracies, for this reason KSA won't be appropriate example as it is a theocratic state which is obviously a totalitarian state in disguise with ultimate authority given to imagination of humans. 

Your other point is

It is utter childish argument that majority should abide by the ethics applicable to a small minority especially in a democracy.

The argument doesn't stand as I can vouch, even in absense of any emperical data that majority of Indians are not beef eaters. For Brahmins, meat eating is a taboo who are a small percentage. But the rest upper castes, middle castes and even lower castes, who eat meat generally don't eat beef. This means that beef eating is restricted to Dalits, Muslims and Christians. In these three, there would be vegetarians and non beef eaters which brings down the percentage to less than 30 percent with all the generosity. 

Now if majority ethics are to be followed by minorities, this means that in India, where non beef eaters are in majority who generally have no problem with pork, people should be allowed to eat pork in public offices, school/college canteens.  Will that be fine with you? 

Reply to 32/D-105

I agree with you there are ethics in different parts of the world. If you eat dog and pork in USA and KSA respectively, you will be  imprisoned. Why??? Because their constitutions have made eating such animals taboo in those nations. Ethics in these countries are taken into account while their constitutions are developed. Has Indian constitution banned eating beef?

It is utter childish argument that majority should abide by the ethics applicable to a small minority especially in a democracy.

 Can't we take anything which Brahmins don't take?

And by this you mean it is only Brahmins who don't eat beef other than Kashmiri Pundits. How about Rajputs, Yadavs, OBC, and blah blah. Majority don't eat beef in India and it is more about ethics than about democracy. 

You can be jailed for eating dog meat in USA and pork in Saudi Arabia. Every country has its ethics. No one is stopping Dalit from beef but why do dalits want to showcase their beed eating habits. And if nutrition is one reason, why not pork. Pork is cheaper and very nutritional. 

But my earlier reply was simply with reference to freedom of expression. " Faruki

' Beef fest turns into a slugfest at Osmania

Protesters clash inside University, 1 student stabbed, 5 others injured

The beef festival organised by a group of students and staff at the Osmania University turned into a battlefield on Sunday night. Students’ groups supporting and opposing the much-hyped beef festival clashed throughout the night.

Police used teargas shells and batons to disperse the clashing groups. The campus, which witnessed many violent protests over separate Telangana state during last two years, had turned into a warzone.

Police used teargas shells to disperse the crowd which torched two vehicles

Both the groups pelted stones at each other and torched a media vehicle and a state transport bus. One student was stabbed in the fight and over five of them were reported injured. The injured are undergoing treatment at the state-run Gandhi hospital."

www.punemirror.in/article/4/201204172012041702365096857248187/Beef-fest-turns-into-a-slugfest-at-Osmania.html

They are throwing stones and stabbing each other now. Soon ISI Terrorist Modules will move in and will be killing with Guns !

Dekhate jaiye aap ki Freedom of expression
Aur kaya kya Rang lati hein !

The NSS survey shows 42% of households in India are pure vegetarian. Hence assuming another 7-8% also consumes eggs, the %age consuming non-veg would be about 50%. Out of this, most regions except Kerala and north-east do not consume beef. Dalits constitute only 16% of total population. It is a canard that all Dalits consume beef. So this 50% of Indians eating beef is just sheer propaganda.

>> A: It was stated by someone on this forum few years ago.
>> K: But does that constitute evidence?
>> A: But you did not give me any other figure or even a guess! Consequently 50% stands!

contd....

K. Who stated it ?

A: I think it was me

K. Why didn't you say so ?

A. You never asked.

A: 50% of Indians eat beef.
K: What is the evidence?
A: It was stated by someone on this forum few years ago.
K: But does that constitute evidence?
A: But you did not give me any other figure or even a guess! Consequently 50% stands!

This is Romila Thapar School of intellectual discourse.
 

>> If I read a figure, I may quote it

And if I don't read one, I may invent it.

>> This is not the Annals of National Statistics

So all jehadi bullshit can be spread around.

>> This is just a readers' forum

Where the jehadi has doubted entries from credible sources without presenting any counter evidence.

>> My last post in this ugly exchange with this hate-crazed stalker.

Mommy, mommy. These nationalist, erudite, smart guys are regularly kicking my ass. I continue to whine like a stuck pig, but they don't show any mercy. Can you please get MMS to declare that minorities have the first and only right to throw insults at others.

Irreverent,

>> Lock all these jokers in the cowshed. That is where they belong. However, the cows may find it offending to be in company of their self-proclaimed worshippers.

If you have nothing to say, you don't have to strain yourself to say something.

" Whether Indians can eat beef or not is one thing, but there should be no doubt as to whether they have a right to expess their views and demands. '

Very well

And also don't forget to give the right to express to those who ask for Pork Festival .

Grant of such Rights to express will turn into real Riots.

In Punjabi we say : Bi Jamalo -Ghas mein aag laga ke Tamasha Dekh rahi !

Sorry sir we don't want such Rights to Express .Already Hyderabad has enough trouble makers .Don't give them more chances to burn the City any more.

This food fascism should end. Pork and Beef should be available and consumed if the students desire. Eating habits are personal preferences and not something to be debated in assemblies.

Anwaar

You hail from such a community where people are litrally pantophagist...they just simply love to consume flesh. Forgive me if you are an exception !!