Farukh Khan next time will be detained too in USA .

Reason Riaz Batkal the Indian Mujahedin Head uses Shah Rukh Khan .So whenever any person with this name lands in USA the Computers raise the RED FLAG .

Now the Staff at Air Port can't clear the person .Only Seniors after due verification can release the person.Dr Kalam ex Prez wa ssharing name ,BJP's Shah Nawaz Khan ex Dy Foreign Minister was too denied Visa on similar grounds.

www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/India/BJP-s-Muslim-MP-denied-US-visa/Article1-467016.aspx

We should not read much in such incidents rather we should appreciate USa that how much particular they are in protecting their Country.

Here in India Politicians and moneyed people have been protected with Z + Security .We the common men have been left at the mercy of the Jhadi killers .

And any dumbo son or son in Law or relative of the politicians and Babus along with their pets too can walk through without being Security Checked.

Come on don't curse USA rather tighten your systems .

And learn from Ex Prtez Kalam a show calmly and lightly he ha staken being twice

frisked in USA. Respect the Law sof the othe rCountries otherwise don't go there .

Suresh,

>> If Kasab's associates were not eliminated in firing, they would probably be feasting in Indian jails .

They were eliminated because they were killing people. Shooting them in  fake encounters  after they were captured is not something a civilized country would do.

>> The justice system, with liberal support from sickular governement and activists, makes sure that - a terrorist captured is like getting diplomatic immunity.

It would be no different  under a BJP government. Which activists are supporting Kasab? His companions did not even get any help for their burial. I am sure desi terrorists like the SIMI guys, Sadhvi, Purohit, Aseemanan etc get funds for legal defence, education of their children etc.

>> If you want to eliminate a terrorist, do not capture him/her.

> Are you talking of a civilized country or uncivilized country?

If Kasab's associates were not eliminated in firing, they would probably be feasting in Indian jails now giving company to Kasab. The justice system, with liberal support from sickular governement and activists, makes sure that - a terrorist captured is like getting diplomatic immunity. Who knows -  terrorists may be motivated by the "retirement benefits" of a terrorist act committed in India. Any country that treats terrorists with kid gloves will ultimately land itself in uncivilised hands.

Suresh,

>>  If you want to eliminate a terrorist, do not capture him/her.

Are you talking of a civilized country or uncivilized country?

>> The genesis of fake encounters is in the lousy criminal justice system prevalent.

The criminal justice system does not get better if we let our police officers become murderers.

The genesis of fake encounters is in the lousy criminal justice system prevalent in the country and the courts have a lot to answer for that.

If I understand correctly, the essense of Anwaar's arguments is - If you want to eliminate a terrorist, do not capture him/her. Right ?

YHWH,

The morality of drones as a weapon of war is still being debated, but that is a different issue from fake encounter murders. Americans do not kill captured terrorists. Terrorists do kill people they have captured. We do not want our police officers to act like terrorists. They should of course use maximum force to defeat terrorists, but once a terrorist is in custody, it is the duty of the custodians to keep him safe.

The Supreme Court of India has spoken unequivocally on the subject last May. ""Cases where a fake encounter is proved against policemen in a trial, they must be given death sentence, treating it as the rarest of rare cases."

 ANWAAR, DALLAS

Drone attacks are worse that fake encounter killings. Drone attacks are target killing, Americans are dropping bombs sitting in a comfy Pentagon office without bothering to make sure if the target is there or not. No doubt, drone attacks have killed scores of innocent. The fake encounters are certainly better than drones. 

But the premise is that terror kills terror. If Americans are failing in A'stan, it is because Taliban can create more terror. Taliban will target the families of Afghan army soldiers, they would kill people on suspicion of informers and none of this could be done by the NATO/ANA. 

Well, Indians can't imitate Israelis in giving Palestinians an avalanche of rockets for even an attempted rocket strike or Americans in killing the suspected terrorists using drones. The Indian police has only fake encounters. Whether it is Sohrabuddin, Azad, Ishrat Jahan, they were all eligible for elimination. A prospective terrorist thinks twice before becoming an actual one after looking at these cases. 

Irreverent,

>> Seems like your pied pipers did not tell you about those Drone attacks.

Such idiotic remarks! Drone attacks are not fake encounter murders. They are part of a war. People are not being killed after they have been captured.  I have previously discussed the two specific  incidents of a drone attack on Awlaki and a helicopter attack on Osama, but I do not expect you to understand that either.

>> "No credible authority would agree with such a definition of 'counter-terrorism'." - Anwaar

Seems like your pied pipers did not tell you about those Drone attacks.

Irreverent,

>>>>  "Terrorism means to terrorize for political reasons and counter terrorism means to terrorize the terrorist for every reason. "
>> So true!!

 Not at all surprising to see you agree! But then you are a self-confessed genocide proponent! No credible authority would agree with such a definition of 'counter-terrorism'.

>> "Terrorism means to terrorize for political reasons and counter terrorism means to terrorize the terrorist for every reason. " - YHWH

So true!! History proves that guerilla tactics cannot be defeated by conventional attacks. As you mentioned, we don't need to look further than Punjab.

Fundamentally, none of these activists have an issue with encounters, fake or real. They are using this to hit Modi. Peiod.

YHWH,

>>  there can't be terror inside the terrorist if there are no fake encounters, no extra judicial killings and no family harrassment.

This is rubbish. Killing someone who is already in police custody is not only a crime. It is barbarism.

 ANWAAR, DALLAS

Terror means illegitimate use of force. If you look at terrorism history in India, the one state where terrorism vanished from the equation was Punjab. I will not harp on what Punjab Police did and what it didn't but there was fear in the mind of terrorists. The same thing was done by Andhra Pradesh for Maoists and almost broke their back. 

The sad part is that there can't be terror inside the terrorist if there are no fake encounters, no extra judicial killings and no family harrassment. Terrorism means to terrorize for political reasons and counter terrorism means to terrorize the terrorist for every reason. 

If India has to remain one country and not to be talken over by Talibani-LeT Tidal waves of marauders when USA leaves Afghanistan then Gill Formula is the only answer

We have to choose between Indian culture or Talibani Culture.

>> ". If police starts kissing the terrorists, there can be no end to terrorsim."

Suprme Court's concern is about fake encounter murders in which people who are already in police custody are killed by the police.

 Diamond cuts diamond. Bullet for bullet, terror for terror. If police starts kissing the terrorists, there can be no end to terrorsim. 

Irreverent,

>>  Fake encounters in the country are not new.

Murder and rape too are not new, but only immoral morons like you would say it is okay to murder and rape.

>> Movies have been made on encounter specialists, hailed as heroes cleansing the rot

While encounter killings are relatively extreme examples, hero (including police officers) working outside the system to beat up baddies is older than Amitabh's entry in movies, and enjoyed wide sanction and applause of society.

I'm slightly ambivalent on encounter killings. From the security forces
' perspective, I can understand their motivations (much like jehadis can understand Teesta's motivations in digging up the graves). However, it's very very dangerous to allow it without many checks and balances. Vir Sanghvi had written an article long back (much before Ishrat and Sohrabuddin were bumped off), about how Bombay police had starting acting as arms of rival gangs, bumping off rivals for a payment.

Of course, the jehadis and liberals were all sleeping then (probably together). They woke up to whine only after specific instances in a specific state.

 >> "What an obnoxious comment from this hateful moron!" - Anwaar

If the comment is obnoxious, it is bacause the act itself is. Fake encounters in the country are not new. Movies have been made on encounter specialists, hailed as heroes cleansing the rot. This sham of protests started with Ishrat and Sohrabuddin. We all know why and by whom.

Irreverent,

>>  the courts must intervene because a bunch of Mullah apologists find it offensive!!

What an obnoxious comment from this hateful moron! And are not most of the legislators with criminal indictments Hindus?

So, FIRs cannot be filed against Teesta and Bhatt as it is tantamount to harrassment (which is true). But, fake encounter probes should be directed only at the Gujarat police or only when the Muslim criminals are killed. 

And, why should these encounters be an issue when the judiciary has failed the country miserably. Someone has to get rid of these cockroaches, however dirty the job is. At least one-fourth of the MPs have serious criminal charges against them. But, they continue to legislate becasue the courts cannot deliver verdicts in a timely manner. It takes months of hard work and tremendous risks to capture a criminal. And, then the courts must intervene because a bunch of Mullah apologists find it offensive!!

Very valid request from the Gujarat govt. Would be interesting to see the response of the sicko govts, who have been whining like stuck pigs about Gujarat.

>> "...the state government...... complained that only the Narendra Modi government is being singled out for encounter killings."
 

That is school-boyish! All fake encounters are crimes. If some are going unpunished, that situation must be corrected, but the Modi government cannot use that as a defence.

 SC has virtually deluded itself on this ruling. Lets see some very active involvement and monitoring from SC on the thousands of cases which might qualify for this bonanza. I would love to see the kind of active monitoring like in the case of Gujarat (Sohrabuddin case, riot cases etc.). SC should take care not to come off as being a foster parent for all the other states by treating Gujarat as its favorite kid on this matter. 

>> "Terrorism means to terrorize for political reasons and counter terrorism means to terrorize the terrorist for every reason. " - YHWH

So true!! History proves that guerilla tactics cannot be defeated by conventional attacks. As you mentioned, we don't need to look further than Punjab.

Fundamentally, none of these activists have an issue with encounters, fake or real. They are using this to hit Modi. Peiod.

 ANWAAR, DALLAS

Terror means illegitimate use of force. If you look at terrorism history in India, the one state where terrorism vanished from the equation was Punjab. I will not harp on what Punjab Police did and what it didn't but there was fear in the mind of terrorists. The same thing was done by Andhra Pradesh for Maoists and almost broke their back. 

The sad part is that there can't be terror inside the terrorist if there are no fake encounters, no extra judicial killings and no family harrassment. Terrorism means to terrorize for political reasons and counter terrorism means to terrorize the terrorist for every reason. 

 >> "What an obnoxious comment from this hateful moron!" - Anwaar

If the comment is obnoxious, it is bacause the act itself is. Fake encounters in the country are not new. Movies have been made on encounter specialists, hailed as heroes cleansing the rot. This sham of protests started with Ishrat and Sohrabuddin. We all know why and by whom.

Farukh Khan next time will be detained too in USA .

Reason Riaz Batkal the Indian Mujahedin Head uses Shah Rukh Khan .So whenever any person with this name lands in USA the Computers raise the RED FLAG .

Now the Staff at Air Port can't clear the person .Only Seniors after due verification can release the person.Dr Kalam ex Prez wa ssharing name ,BJP's Shah Nawaz Khan ex Dy Foreign Minister was too denied Visa on similar grounds.

www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/India/BJP-s-Muslim-MP-denied-US-visa/Article1-467016.aspx

We should not read much in such incidents rather we should appreciate USa that how much particular they are in protecting their Country.

Here in India Politicians and moneyed people have been protected with Z + Security .We the common men have been left at the mercy of the Jhadi killers .

And any dumbo son or son in Law or relative of the politicians and Babus along with their pets too can walk through without being Security Checked.

Come on don't curse USA rather tighten your systems .

And learn from Ex Prtez Kalam a show calmly and lightly he ha staken being twice

frisked in USA. Respect the Law sof the othe rCountries otherwise don't go there .

 ANWAAR, DALLAS

Drone attacks are worse that fake encounter killings. Drone attacks are target killing, Americans are dropping bombs sitting in a comfy Pentagon office without bothering to make sure if the target is there or not. No doubt, drone attacks have killed scores of innocent. The fake encounters are certainly better than drones. 

But the premise is that terror kills terror. If Americans are failing in A'stan, it is because Taliban can create more terror. Taliban will target the families of Afghan army soldiers, they would kill people on suspicion of informers and none of this could be done by the NATO/ANA. 

Well, Indians can't imitate Israelis in giving Palestinians an avalanche of rockets for even an attempted rocket strike or Americans in killing the suspected terrorists using drones. The Indian police has only fake encounters. Whether it is Sohrabuddin, Azad, Ishrat Jahan, they were all eligible for elimination. A prospective terrorist thinks twice before becoming an actual one after looking at these cases. 

If India has to remain one country and not to be talken over by Talibani-LeT Tidal waves of marauders when USA leaves Afghanistan then Gill Formula is the only answer

We have to choose between Indian culture or Talibani Culture.

The genesis of fake encounters is in the lousy criminal justice system prevalent in the country and the courts have a lot to answer for that.

If I understand correctly, the essense of Anwaar's arguments is - If you want to eliminate a terrorist, do not capture him/her. Right ?

>> "No credible authority would agree with such a definition of 'counter-terrorism'." - Anwaar

Seems like your pied pipers did not tell you about those Drone attacks.

 Diamond cuts diamond. Bullet for bullet, terror for terror. If police starts kissing the terrorists, there can be no end to terrorsim. 

>> Movies have been made on encounter specialists, hailed as heroes cleansing the rot

While encounter killings are relatively extreme examples, hero (including police officers) working outside the system to beat up baddies is older than Amitabh's entry in movies, and enjoyed wide sanction and applause of society.

I'm slightly ambivalent on encounter killings. From the security forces
' perspective, I can understand their motivations (much like jehadis can understand Teesta's motivations in digging up the graves). However, it's very very dangerous to allow it without many checks and balances. Vir Sanghvi had written an article long back (much before Ishrat and Sohrabuddin were bumped off), about how Bombay police had starting acting as arms of rival gangs, bumping off rivals for a payment.

Of course, the jehadis and liberals were all sleeping then (probably together). They woke up to whine only after specific instances in a specific state.

So, FIRs cannot be filed against Teesta and Bhatt as it is tantamount to harrassment (which is true). But, fake encounter probes should be directed only at the Gujarat police or only when the Muslim criminals are killed. 

And, why should these encounters be an issue when the judiciary has failed the country miserably. Someone has to get rid of these cockroaches, however dirty the job is. At least one-fourth of the MPs have serious criminal charges against them. But, they continue to legislate becasue the courts cannot deliver verdicts in a timely manner. It takes months of hard work and tremendous risks to capture a criminal. And, then the courts must intervene because a bunch of Mullah apologists find it offensive!!

Very valid request from the Gujarat govt. Would be interesting to see the response of the sicko govts, who have been whining like stuck pigs about Gujarat.

 SC has virtually deluded itself on this ruling. Lets see some very active involvement and monitoring from SC on the thousands of cases which might qualify for this bonanza. I would love to see the kind of active monitoring like in the case of Gujarat (Sohrabuddin case, riot cases etc.). SC should take care not to come off as being a foster parent for all the other states by treating Gujarat as its favorite kid on this matter. 

>> If you want to eliminate a terrorist, do not capture him/her.

> Are you talking of a civilized country or uncivilized country?

If Kasab's associates were not eliminated in firing, they would probably be feasting in Indian jails now giving company to Kasab. The justice system, with liberal support from sickular governement and activists, makes sure that - a terrorist captured is like getting diplomatic immunity. Who knows -  terrorists may be motivated by the "retirement benefits" of a terrorist act committed in India. Any country that treats terrorists with kid gloves will ultimately land itself in uncivilised hands.

Suresh,

>> If Kasab's associates were not eliminated in firing, they would probably be feasting in Indian jails .

They were eliminated because they were killing people. Shooting them in  fake encounters  after they were captured is not something a civilized country would do.

>> The justice system, with liberal support from sickular governement and activists, makes sure that - a terrorist captured is like getting diplomatic immunity.

It would be no different  under a BJP government. Which activists are supporting Kasab? His companions did not even get any help for their burial. I am sure desi terrorists like the SIMI guys, Sadhvi, Purohit, Aseemanan etc get funds for legal defence, education of their children etc.

>> "...the state government...... complained that only the Narendra Modi government is being singled out for encounter killings."
 

That is school-boyish! All fake encounters are crimes. If some are going unpunished, that situation must be corrected, but the Modi government cannot use that as a defence.

Irreverent,

>>>>  "Terrorism means to terrorize for political reasons and counter terrorism means to terrorize the terrorist for every reason. "
>> So true!!

 Not at all surprising to see you agree! But then you are a self-confessed genocide proponent! No credible authority would agree with such a definition of 'counter-terrorism'.

Irreverent,

>>  Fake encounters in the country are not new.

Murder and rape too are not new, but only immoral morons like you would say it is okay to murder and rape.

Suresh,

>> If Kasab's associates were not eliminated in firing, they would probably be feasting in Indian jails .

They were eliminated because they were killing people. Shooting them in  fake encounters  after they were captured is not something a civilized country would do.

>> The justice system, with liberal support from sickular governement and activists, makes sure that - a terrorist captured is like getting diplomatic immunity.

It would be no different  under a BJP government. Which activists are supporting Kasab? His companions did not even get any help for their burial. I am sure desi terrorists like the SIMI guys, Sadhvi, Purohit, Aseemanan etc get funds for legal defence, education of their children etc.

YHWH,

>>  there can't be terror inside the terrorist if there are no fake encounters, no extra judicial killings and no family harrassment.

This is rubbish. Killing someone who is already in police custody is not only a crime. It is barbarism.

Irreverent,

>> Seems like your pied pipers did not tell you about those Drone attacks.

Such idiotic remarks! Drone attacks are not fake encounter murders. They are part of a war. People are not being killed after they have been captured.  I have previously discussed the two specific  incidents of a drone attack on Awlaki and a helicopter attack on Osama, but I do not expect you to understand that either.

Irreverent,

>>  the courts must intervene because a bunch of Mullah apologists find it offensive!!

What an obnoxious comment from this hateful moron! And are not most of the legislators with criminal indictments Hindus?

YHWH,

The morality of drones as a weapon of war is still being debated, but that is a different issue from fake encounter murders. Americans do not kill captured terrorists. Terrorists do kill people they have captured. We do not want our police officers to act like terrorists. They should of course use maximum force to defeat terrorists, but once a terrorist is in custody, it is the duty of the custodians to keep him safe.

The Supreme Court of India has spoken unequivocally on the subject last May. ""Cases where a fake encounter is proved against policemen in a trial, they must be given death sentence, treating it as the rarest of rare cases."