>>That is an apt description of your posts!

Now jihadis barking at moving vehicles.

Was Bal Thakarey punished for massacre of thousands in Mumbai riots? Poice could even touch him. Now Modi seems to be exonearted on the basis of "European hunter and African lion" consideration.

Just measure the influence and previlige of Hindutva/Brahmanavad forces in IPS and Judiciary.  

RSM,

>> Hartosh Singh Bal’s article sounds like a dog barking at moving vehicles.

That is an apt description of your posts!

Hartosh Singh Bal’s article sounds like a dog barking at moving vehicles. It is a typical secular drivel which continues with the same theme - carry on with propaganda for 10 years and when slowly exposed start shifting goalposts! So now the charge has changed to ‘deliberate inaction’. If that was the charge Mr Bal, why were you cheerleading the NGO scavenger industry’s attempts to find him guilty of ‘complicity’ in a court of law all this while?

>>Those who intellectually collude in murder are not going to wake up to their stupidity through an exercise in logic.

This buffoon should know that he needs to give something more than secular wet dreams to establish that Modi committed murder. Then we can discuss logic.

>>This is only an exercise in rhetoric, given that Narendra Modi has shied away from appointing a Lokayukta precisely because a number of his actions in government will not withstand scrutiny.

This line itself shows that Bal is a low-grade propagandists with no integrity. Bal suppresses the fact that since 2006, three attempts have been made by the Modi government to appoint Lokayukta, all scuttled by the Congress governors and opposition. Rest of Bal’s article can be summarized in one word – trash!
 

"Once again we are being told by Narendra Modi’s rabid fans that the courts have exonerated him. Perhaps, idiocy is contagious among his followers, but they seem to forget that no court can absolve him of the most serious charge against him. It is the same charge that damns Rajiv Gandhi, of deliberate inaction (if not active collusion, which seems to be indicated but does require more evidence) while violence was perpetrated against a minority. In both cases, this inaction was witnessed by an entire country."

www.openthemagazine.com/article/voices/why-is-narendrabhai-afraid-of-the-indian-media

>>SIT clean chit is wrong. DGP told me Modi said let Muslims die. – Sreekumar

Sreekumar's testimony rejected as unreliable/hearsay. Clean chit stands. Let seculars bark!

"SIT clean chit is wrong. DGP told me Modi said let Muslims die. – Sreekumar"

kractivist.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/sit-clean-chit-is-wrong-dgp-told-me-modi-said-let-muslims-die-sreekumar/

It seems the Left believes the SIT was “manipulated” by the Gujarat chief minister and it calls for another comprehensive, combined probe. An editorial in the New Age said: “The entire Gujarat episode of 2002, right from the burning of Coach 6 of (the) Sabarmati Express, to the continued anti-minority violence for months together, need a comprehensive independent inquiry, as the Narendra Modi regime has done everything possible to sabotage the investigation. It used police and administration shamelessly to terrorise the victims and bribe the witnesses to sabotage judicial proceedings. Sangh Parivar-related lawyers were appointed prosecutors...... A former BJP minister was murdered as he had started speaking (the) truth”.

 

 R SAROJA >> As I said earlier, had Nuremberg trials been outsourced to India, Hitler would have got a clean chit..

Anyone who tries to compare the Nazi era with what happened in Gujarat in 2002 must be truly a crazy bigot herself, and you are indeed one. Are you even sure what are you talking of ? Please use internet to educate yourself of the context. The mass murders of Jews in Continental europe in 1939-1945 period was massive and unprecedented in history and close to 6 million jews died in the hands of jews. And after all these mass murders, Europe is effectively cleansed out of jews and today less than 0.5% of europe's population are jews.

The gujarat riots of 2002, while condemnable and horrible were not even a fraction of these killings. We are talking of a mere 1500 dead of which 25% were Non Muslims and the riots lasted for 10-15 days maximum. And remember that life has gone well after that and Gujarat has enjoyed unprecedented peace and prosperity post riots. Given the history of gujarat and riots, this is indeed a miracle. And most important, 11% of Gujarat is still muslims and muslim population has actually gone up since 2001, unlike europe which still has effectively no jewish population.

So maybe you shoudl first try to use your brains before comparing Nurenmberg with Gujarat. And one last word. The closest to the ethnic cleansing of Jews has happened in kashmir valley,where the valley's intolerant majority community  has chased away half a million kashmiri pandits because they chose to worship a different god. And till date, Kashmir valley has not seen a return of its pandit population.And we are not yet seeing the prosecution of Congress Leadership, the VP Singh Government, and the Abdullah family who are all collectively responsible for the cruel ethnic cleansing of Kashmir Pandits.

This entire thread is a waste of time. The SC appointed SIT has stated it has not found any evidence against Modi. This report will be challenged by the anti-Modi crowd. Whatever the Magistrate decides, his decision will be challenged in the HC. The HC will deliberate at length on the pros and cons and deliver a verdict. This will then be challenged in the SC. Until the SC decides the case is not over. Presumably if Modi is exonerated of the charges in the SC, if the congress is still inpower, they will ask for a review followed by a Presidential reference. Lawyers on both sides must be wringing their hands in glee over the prosepcts of a never ending case.

#100/D-58 - @Michael Lopes

Can you tell what is 'contradictory' in my post ? It is your argument that Modi was "omni potent" and "omni present". So you have to justify his omnipotency and omnipresence. In any case, you are digressing from the point of my post which was about "Nobody killed Jafri" theory. You do not seem to realise that there is a difference between "accusations" and "evidence".

        >  Nobody denies that riots took place. There was mob fury and Jafri was killed. The case being made out by motivated activists was that Modi was complicit in this riot and Jafri's killing. The SIT report, for your kind information, does not say Jafri was not killed. It just says that there is no substance in the charge that Modi was involved in it. You are making a pathetic attempt at trying to be "too clever"....K. Suresh
 

Your post itself is pathetic and contradictory in itself.

According to your version and there was great mob fury across the state of gujarat. And Mr. Nero (our desi version Modi) was well aware of it. Mr. Jafri did call CM's office as well as contacted delhi franticaly to save not only his life but the lives of scores of other muslims gathered there. But to no avail.  Was not it the duty of Mr. Nero to attend to his call given the dangerous circumstances prevelant there at that time. Who was helming Home Minister's office at that time. What was those ministers doing there at that time. Why was Mr. Haren Pandya killed? Police appartus in gujarat (barring some honourable exception) has totally been comunalised to say the least.

I agree with you that Mr.Nero was not physically involved in killing Mr. Jafri but Mr. Nero was omnipotent and omnipresent (like devil). He could have easily intervened and saved Mr. Jafri and others. Do not you think so Mr. Suresh????

>>My understanding of Islam is that it begun a process which culminated in Renaissance in Europe and in Bhakti movement in both northern and southern India.

Lol! This is like arguing Nazism began a process which ensured there were no more world wars after World War II.
 

Scavenger industry logic goes as follows:

X is brutally murdered. Key suspects are A, B, C and D. Scavengers want M hanged too. After detailed investigations, the investigators find no evidence against M. Scavengers tweet – “No one killed X”. The mindless cheerleaders of those scavengers hail this as an incisive tweet!
 

>>That apart, it's sad to see someone like Bandookwala making such statements, essentially saying that the judicial process needs to conform to their biases, or else, is meaningless, and should be done away with.

There is no doubt that the good professor was among the saner voices in the Muslim community post Gujarat riots. However over the years he seems to have become senile.

@R.Saroja - "Is it some sort of IPL match being played out?"

It is not. It only highlights the irrational, illogical argument you are making. Nobody denies that riots took place. There was mob fury and Jafri was killed. The case being made out by motivated activists was that Modi was complicit in this riot and Jafri's killing. The SIT report, for your kind information, does not say Jafri was not killed. It just says that there is no substance in the charge that Modi was involved in it. You are making a pathetic attempt at trying to be "too clever".

Jayakumar,

>> Gujaratis are thinking of Praveen Tagodia as next CM.

You and Togadia deserve each other.

>> Justice has neither been done in 1984 anti-Sikh pogram in Delhi or in Gujarat pogram of 2002. It is sick to play one against the other.

Talking about 84 is sick. But talking about Nuremberg is secular.

 For those cleverly parrotting the words that no one killed 69 people at Gulburg (again, how pathetic is that your hero is Sanjiv Bhatt, whose affidavits have not been entertained by SC and the guy begs for Blackberry from Congis), there is a separate case running on Gulburg society case. Zakia's petition (changed subsequently) named a whole host of people including Congis and then became a political tool asking for Modi and Co., to be investigated for conspiracy. 

I am sure, like the Ode massacre case, Best Bakery case and several others which nailed the rioters, they will certainly punish those who were responsible for the deaths of Gulburg victims. But there is also the truth that SIT did not find any evidence of complicity or conspiracy on anyone named in Zakia's petition. So, all those crocodile tears being shed (seething with pain and anger) can now be stopped or redirected to a different battle. We will be there to see you enact the same drama all over again!  

>> Verdict ? I did not know that trial had even begun.

Then why were you talking about Nuremberg trials, you moron?

>> My understanding of Islam is that it begun a process which culminated in Renaissance in Europe and in Bhakti movement in both northern and southern India.

What does this, or the rest of your post, have to do with the article?

>> "Justice has neither been done in 1984 anti-Sikh pogram in Delhi or in Gujarat pogram of 2002" - R Saroja

Don't be under any sort of illusion that people are seeking justice for gujarat riots (granting you the liberty to call it a pogrom). They are seeking a one-man victim to be hanged, with or without proof. Anything above that is either a bonus or a collateral damage for them. 

 @Saroja - "Headline for tomorrow's newspapers: "No One Killed Ehsan Jaafri""

You mean like "No Sikhs were killed in 1984" ?

Is it some sort of IPL match being played out?  Justice has neither been done in 1984 anti-Sikh pogram in Delhi or in Gujarat pogram of 2002. It is sick to play one against the other. 

 "If you don't like the verdict, produce more proof next time. Stop proclaiming Hitler would be found innocent like it makes any sense to compare Hitler and Modi.

"I could also say sucking on the Islamic pot pipe that's affecting your brain, but it's probably too late for that"

Verdict ? I did not know that trial had even begun. No. Cant equate Modi and Hitler. Hitler committed suicide,afraid of sharing Mussolini's fate. Modi is a demagogue in the mould of Hitler.

Traditionallly in India we do not just "tolerate" other religions. We actively respect them. My understanding of Islam is that it begun a process which culminated in Renaissance in Europe and  in Bhakti movement in both northern and southern India.

In psychology, we can study a process called shadow projection. One's own inadequacies are projected on the other and the other is hunted down.  In this forum I can see that in the bashing of muslims. It will be good for everyone to understand the core of whatever religion they think they represent.   My bookshelf has Bible and Koran among other books and I consider myself a good hindu. 

The sort of name calling that goes on in this forum has been brilliantly described by the Indian born Eric Blair, (who wrote under the pen name of George Orwell), in his novel 1984 as five minute hate.

>> I think Mr. Bandookwala summed up the debate quite succinctly yesterday on Times Now. he said that me and my community is never going to accept any verdict that doesn’t hold Modi guilty.

Amusing to see Bandookwala appointing himself the spokesperson of his community. The same crowd whines their loudest that RSS doesn't speak for Hindus.

That apart, it's sad to see someone like Bandookwala making such statements, essentially saying that the judicial process needs to conform to their biases, or else, is meaningless, and should be done away with. It's natural to expect jehadis like the one resident on this forum to make such suggestions, and slander judges and investigative agencies that don't meet the secular requirement of declaring Modi guilty. It's another to see someone like Bandookwala say it, whom, so far at least, I had thought of as reasonable and honest.

 >> WRONGONE, CHENNAI

>> Not a single self confessed Patriots came on board to explain what CAG had made out in Gujrat regarding the 5k Crore loss to the state.

Few days ago in one of my posts I explained with few examples the fallacies of CAG reports of the sort published. Most often such  observations are notional losses based on calculations by irrational extrapolations to the extreme. For your ready reference I repeat one example here. In audit observation on a defence hospital the audit calculated a loss of few crores to the exchequer. Their ground is that only 75% of the beds are occupied regularly and by paying the entire staff on rolls who otherwise become 25% excess for the particular hospital for the quantum of beds occupied, has resulted in a loss of " X"crores to the exchequer. The blokes had to be explained that the so called 25% excess beds is bcz of better health of the community and it is a reserve planned for emergencies and disasters. Staff would not spring up in an urgent moment of need when the occupation is 100%. A car with a speedometer of 160 KMs at Max doesn't always run at 160KMs!!

Haven't you heard the recent Rs.10Lakh crore loss projection by CAG on Coal mining called "Coalgate"? Even the opposition BJP chose to keep quiet. Because when our whole budget is not 10 lakh crores it is ludicrous to say the loss was that much. CAG is a much needed constitutional body but thanks to its its jokers as auditors, the reports however need to be taken with a bag of salt. It has just zombies with no practical intelligence.

"For those who hold him guilty, there is nothing that he could do that would help him. What they hold him guilty of is pretty nigh unforgivable."

Exactly!

So you care two hoots about justice, you just want him hanged! And in your eagerness to hang him, you don’t even care to check whether he is guilty or not. You have decided he is guilty:
because he belongs to a party you hate
because Teesta and Bhat say so
because your hatred towards him says so
because it suits your persecution complex
because he doesn’t listen to your perpetual whining
because he won’t play minority-ball with you
because he refuses to give you sops that you are so used to from other parties like congress and SP.
because he has closed all avenues for you to play victim-victim
because he won’t allow you to pull another stunt like Godhra train burning
because he won’t give you any opportunity to play riot-riot every now and then

So we don’t care what you think of the Indian justice system. It’s good enough for the majority. If it’s not good enough for you, too bad!!

>>it is a deliberate attempt to keep the heat on Modi to distract attention from the primary, horrendous crime of burning people alive in trains.

They make no attempts to distract attention. In fact they continue to peddle 'accidental fire at 8AM due to Kar Sevaks unsafe cooking habits' and 'tea vendor daughter molestation provocation' in the same breadth!

@Kiran Bagachi - "They don’t care about justice and have no respect for any judge or court verdict that goes against their warped sense of victimhood."

The action of sickulars show that far from victimhood, it is a deliberate attempt to keep the heat on Modi to distract attention from the primary, horrendous crime of burning people alive in trains. Offence is the best of defence. They have not hesitated to use poor Mrs Jafri as battering ram. In the overwhelming tirade against Modi, nobody bothers about the primary crime. If Godhra train burning incident is investigated again, hand of some well known sickulars may be unearthed. Afterall, if you apply sickular logic, "The fact that there is no evidence of TS's hand in Godhra train burning does not mean TS is not guilty of that offence"

PS: BJP should seriously consider making advaniji as gujarat's CM and make modi PM (in waiting like advani) candidate (perennially)

Gujarati's are thinking of Praveen Tagodia as next CM.....Why Advani, Vajpayee who has love for Pakistani's cant be CM of Gujarat....

 outlook must pay us in cash.

we have been working very hard to correct their mistakes in articles.

we have to make correction to their headlines and reports every time they publish any article. their in-competent reporters or may be paid-by-congress reporters cannot even get a simple headline correct.

R. Saroja, Bombay

"Modi The Master Manipulator: Ode Massacre-23 Killled, SIT demands Death Penalty for 23 accused. Gulbarg Massacre-58 Killed, Closure Report."

This worries congress more than BJP as this Anand district has been congress strong hold....thats why congress refused to comment on this veridict....So even secular constituency people where also angry after train was burnt....

R. Saroja, Bombay

"Modi The Master Manipulator: Ode Massacre-23 Killled, SIT demands Death Penalty for 23 accused. Gulbarg Massacre-58 Killed, Closure Report."

This worries congress more than BJP as this Anand district has been congress strong hold....thats why congress refused to comment on this veridict....So even secular constituency people where also angry after train was burnt....

Fed up of reading Modi everytime now. Cannot it be that modi should be changed with that of Advaniji for a change.

How would it read if great advani replaces modi - Vajpayeeji has adviced Advani, "Rajdharam ka paalan karo" and advani smiling over it. America has again denied visa to Mr. Advani. Nitish kumar has opposed advani's entry into bihar during election. so forth and so on.

It seems that many jokers become alive when modi gets propped up into news.

PS: BJP should seriously consider making advaniji as gujarat's CM and make modi PM (in waiting like advani) candidate (perennially)

BTW, Bandookwala couldn’t hold on to his carefully cultivated image of a “forgiving” person. Yesterday, he was not being the person who, in an article in Outlook, had asked Gujarati Muslims to “forgive and move ahead”.

He also, for some inexplicable reason, was abusing Ratan Tata too.

I think Mr. Bandookwala summed up the debate quite succinctly yesterday on Times Now. he said that me and my community is never going to accept any verdict that doesn’t hold Modi guilty.

That’s the line all jihadis and sikulars are following. And that’s the truth. They don’t care about justice and have no respect for any judge or court verdict that goes against their warped sense of victimhood.

We know how they reacted to the Shah Bano verdict and the Babri verdict. I think Indian justice system doesn’t owe them any explanation or obligation to please them. They should all buy a one-way ticket to Pakistan if they have no faith in Indian justice system.

Teesta, its your time now. Media dons, your turn awaits - Shekhar Gupta, Rajdeep, Barkha etc. Lalu almost gone from the scene. Chidambaram and Gandhis fasten your seat belts. Who is next ?

Beware ! Karma catching up with crooks and liers.

>> "Some prayer would be in order." - R Saroja

While the jokers like you just chant that soul-rousing verses from Tagore, Modi actually practices it!! And, that symbolizes the difference between success and failure.

 >> "I could also say sucking on the Islamic pot pipe that's affecting your brain, but it's probably too late for that." - Bruce

Brilliant!! 

ROFL......

If there is no evidence, there is no evidence. We cannot start looking for evidence of an evidence. Enough. I am not a fan of Modi but this is getting farcical.

Saroja: We are a super duper advanced society of lotus eaters. As I said earlier, had Nuremberg trials been outsourced to India, Hitler would have got a clean chit( assuming that the trials would have ended by now). Absolutely no witch hunting.

>> Prosecuting Modi in Gujarat would be as difficult as prosecuting Hafeez Saeed in Pakistan!

Good analogy but flawed. SIT was appointed by the Supreme court. So it is the country's highest court that failed by victims. That SIT was biased from the inception was fully known. Courts and CBI harrass Mulayam and Mayawati at will, but touching RSS/BJP wala is against their religion.

@Saroja - "Headline for tomorrow's newspapers: "No One Killed Ehsan Jaafri""

You mean like "No Sikhs were killed in 1984" ?

@IRREVERENT INDIAN - "The Indian government's evidences were so lousy that even the US had to ignore it."

Have you heard of match-fixing ?

INSAAF NAHIN HUA...

Favourite line of seculars and NGOs whose bread and butter is battering of Modi..

For Sale : Recently imported photocopying machines. Buyers may queue up in front of the CJP office.

" The moment they realized their propaganda was likely to be exposed, they start digging into his past. What pathetic losers!"

Expect more dirt from these losers in coming days. 

>>While we are extolling Raghavan and his SIT, let us not forget that during Raghavan's tenure as Director of the CBI (1999-2001) the CBI was under a cloud owing to its handling of the Priyadarshini Mattoo case, in which Santosh Kumar Singh,…..

And you thought scavengers of Gujarat riot victims couldn’t stoop any lower. These jihadis defend MMS as a man of integrity when the nation is looted right under his nose but if CBI botches up a case in2001, its director lacks integrity! The foot soldiers of the scavenging bunch forgot to mention the following about Raghavan:

“Embarrassed by the judgment, the-then CBI Director, R K Raghavan, requested two Special Directors, P C Sharma and Gopal Achari, to study the judgement. Subsequently the CBI appealed the verdict in Delhi High court in 2000, after which the High Court issued a bailable warrant against the accused.”

This alliance of fifth columnists never complained when Raghavan was appointed as head of SIT by the SC. The moment they realized their propaganda was likely to be exposed, they start digging into his past. What pathetic losers!
 

  "Too bad, in advanced societies, it takes the burden of proof to hang someone."

We are a super duper advanced society of lotus eaters. As I said earlier, had Nuremberg trials been outsourced to India, Hitler would have got a clean chit( assuming that the trials would have ended by now). Absolutely no witch hunting.

Ofcourse Germany would not then have been able to put its past behind after the cleansing produced by Nuremberg trials.

I am seething with pain and anger. Some prayer would be in order.

Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high
Where knowledge is free
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments
By narrow domestic walls
Where words come out from the depth of truth
Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection
Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way
Into the dreary desert sand of dead habit
Where the mind is led forward by thee
Into ever-widening thought and action
Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.

 "Too bad, in advanced societies, it takes the burden of proof to hang someone."

We are a super duper advanced society of lotus eaters. As I said earlier, had Nuremberg trials been outsourced to India, Hitler would have got a clean chit( assuming that the trials would have ended by now). Absolutely to witch hunting.

Ofcourse  Germany would not then have been able to put its past behind after the cleansing produced by Nuremberg trials.

I am seething with pain and anger. Some prayer would be in order.

Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high
Where knowledge is free
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments
By narrow domestic walls
Where words come out from the depth of truth
Where tireless striving stretches its arms towards perfection
Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way
Into the dreary desert sand of dead habit
Where the mind is led forward by thee
Into ever-widening thought and action
Into that heaven of freedom, my Father, let my country awake.

>> Had a single joker raised the Question why not a single ruler in a Islamic Country has been prosecuted.

Irrelevant! (Hosni Mubarak is being prosecuted. Qadafi was killed by an enraged crowd. Zine  el Abidin fled the country, the Shah of Iran fled the country, King Farouk fled the country, and so on and so forth.)

There is classical legal theory boldly enunciated in Ode massacre case recently pronounced by brave lady Judge Hon'ble Poonam Singh, namely, the victims-9 women, 9 children and 5 men had nothing to do with the burning of Sabarmati Express S-6 coach or they have not played any role there, nor there was any threat to accused by them nor accused should fear them, hence, first time in the history of riots a clear cut case was made out by the prosecution under section 120-B of IPC. This classical angle is intentionally missing in SIT report. Or Dr. R.K. Raghvan bitterrly beaten by the mob after Rajiv Gandhi assassination as he was then his security officer has continued to suffer fron the poor vision ??? The irony is that Apex Court has asked the blind man to "look into " the matter and has brought disgrace to rule of law and truth and justice internationally.

 Saroja writes:

Someone I hold in high esteem said a very interesting thing to me:
"I've been thinking since the last ten years that a person who needs to keep being given clean chits every now and then, has to be a very dirty person."

By that logic, all witch hunts will be justified! 

Too bad, in advanced societies, it takes the burden of proof to hang someone.

@ Wrong One

>> "Yes its the Americans who got Saddam prosecuted and hanged for crimes against humanity."

Which crimes? Nobody - till date - knows the whereabouts of the WMDs that the Americans went so crazy about. It is George Bush who should be prosecuted and hanged for the crimes against humanity.

>> "Not a single self confessed Patriots came on board to explain what CAG had made out in Gujrat regarding the 5k Crore loss to the state."

Those turned out to be business losses, a result of bad business decisions, not corruption. Even Congress is waving only the front cover, avoiding the details inside. 

Had  a single joker raised the Question why not a single ruler in a Islamic Country has been prosecuted for crimes against humanity till date and hanged by its very own.No.

If that was what they got from there very own ,how can they expect things to be different elsewhere.

Yes its the Americans who got Saddam prosecuted and hanged for crimes against humanity.

The forum for debate has been reduced to one off absolute disregard to ethics which govern discussion in a civilized society..

Personel attacks and open flaunting of religious intolerance and hate has been the hall mark,here.

Not a single self confessed Patriots came on board to explain what CAG had made out in Gujrat regarding the 5k Crore loss to the state.

Anyway what the SIT has said and what the Victims have to say in this regard is none my business.

Teesta and company went to SC and asked to set up a SIT to investigate this point, this point and this point... The SC set up SIT and asked SIT to investigate on these very points given by Teesta and Co.  Now that SIT says no evidence on these points, people say that means all evidence out side of the given points SIT ignored !!  So the Clean Chit is no Clean Chit.  With these people Mr. Modi can't win for losing.

 "Pakistani judges probably studied in the same school Raghavan and Nanavati went to"

Can we know in advance where our Supreme Court justices went to school? 

Smita,

Banerjee Commission was just a Railway Department Commission, which did find holes in "the conspiracy to set fire" theory. Nanavati commission unashamedly refuses to call Modi to testify! Foreign funded NGO's, paid media and Teesta's millions are all a figment of your imagination. I thank you however for not being rude to me like some others. That's Gujarati sadbhavana!

>> Pakistani judges probably studied in the same school Raghavan and Nanavati went to

You forgot to include your favorite whipping boy Atma Charan in that.

The Madrassa where all these "religious bigots" went to, should be identified.

>> I've been thinking since the last ten years that a person who needs to keep being given clean chits every now and then, has to be a very dirty person.

So what in the opinion of the person whom you hold in high esteem should we do? Declare him guilty and hang him?

 "I've been thinking since the last ten years that a person who needs to keep being given clean chits every now and then, has to be a very dirty person."

A person, who keeps getting clean chits continuously for 10 years in spite of repeated attempts to tarnish him, must be squeaky clean.

Anwaar:
Prosecuting Modi in Gujarat would be as difficult as prosecuting Hafeez Saeed in Pakistan!

On the contrary, every Tom, Dick and Harry is out to prosecute Mr. Modi. If my memory serves me correctly, Mr. Lallooo (I rather call him Mr. Uloo) appointed banerjee commission, then came Nanavati commission, then came Best bakery case, along with two or there SIT, countless domestic and foreign funded NGO, not to mention NRI Muslims and equal dose of Non Resident Pakistani are out for blood of Mr. Modi. Paid Media has not only Prosecuted Mr. Modi they have found him guilty and ready to hang him. Heck, Teesta Setalvad has and continues to make millions from going after Mr. Modi.

Fortunately, in India, you can prosecute Mr. Modi all day long but you will not able to convict him. Reason: He has not committed any crime.
 

Saroja,

>> "I've been thinking since the last ten years that a person who needs to keep being given clean chits every now and then, has to be a very dirty person."

Brilliant!

Irreverent,

>> The Mullah apologist ....

Idiotic vocabulary of a hatespewing moron!

 From tweets of Sanjiv Bhatt IPS :

Modi The Master Manipulator: Ode Massacre-23 Killled, SIT demands Death Penalty for 23 accused. Gulbarg Massacre-58 Killed, Closure Report.

Headline for tomorrow's newspapers: "No One Killed Ehsan Jaafri"

Someone I hold in high esteem said a very interesting thing to me:
"I've been thinking since the last ten years that a person who needs to keep being given clean chits every now and then, has to be a very dirty person."
 

Maha,

>> expect the complete abuse of SIT and hair spitting in next few days...

Expect worthless predictions and senseless interjections for the next few days.

" I did not realize the judgement was this bad for the succulars."

While the judgement was bad, expect the complete abuse of SIT and hair spitting in next few days. The riot cottage factory will continue to flourish unless their sponsors loose faith in them with this result.

I heard Raghvan's interview on NDTV by Burkha. He was too dignified to respond to pathetic questions by Burkha asking his opinion about Teesta's comments "She will expose SIT". 

Ganesan,

>> They have become thoroughly unhinged.

Look who is talking of being unhinged!

 " Pakistani judges probably studied in the same school Raghavan and Nanavati went to! "

I did not realize the judgement was this bad for the succulars. They have become thoroughly unhinged.

@ Wrong One

>> "Dont have it in me to stoop as low as you do."

You are already waist-deep in mud. If you stoop any more, it will seep into your throats. My responses to you were condescending, but apt.

>> "The fact is these jokers seeking justice must know that you take whats given or otherwise quit."

That is absolute bullshit!! They are NOT seeking justice. They are seeking a "one-man victim". The ground fact is that the careers of Teesta and the sickular brigand will end if the justice gets delivered.

Maha,

>> Is anyone trying to prosecute Saeed in Pakistan?

Pakistani court has acquitted Hafiz Saeed on many occasions and in many cases due to "lack of evidence". In 2009, the Lahore High Court quashed all cases against Hafiz Muhammad Saeed and set him free. Pakistani judges probably studied in the same school Raghavan and Nanavati went to! 

>> "Prosecuting Modi in Gujarat would be as difficult as prosecuting Hafeez Saeed in Pakistan!"

The Mullah apologist is losing his consistency again!! Why should Saeed be prosecuted for 'RSS ki saazish'?

The basic premise for prosecution is EVIDENCE. In case of Modi, the sickular bandwagon has been UNABLE to provide (or manufacture) anything credible. In case of the other, they have (probably) CHOSEN not to provide one. The Indian government's evidences were so lousy that even the US had to ignore it. There's a $10M bounty on Saeed's head for evidences (for 2008 mumabi attacks) that India's Home Minister could (or did not?) not provide. 

Either way, now that US has its gaze on that man, the Mullahdom must prepare for another round of prayers for him. The last one, that is.

While we are extolling Raghavan and his SIT, let us not forget that during Raghavan's tenure as Director of the CBI (1999-2001) the CBI was under a cloud owing to its handling of the Priyadarshini Mattoo case, in which Santosh Kumar Singh, the alleged murderer of a 22-year old law student was acquitted for what the case judge called "deliberate inaction" by the investigating team. The accused was the son of a high ranking officer in the Indian Police Service, due to which the case had been shifted from the regular police force to the CBI. However, the 1999 judgment commented on how "the influence of the father of the accused has been there".

The case was again prominent in 2006 after much media coverage and public bashing. The High Court subsequently found Santosh Kumar Singh guilty of rape and murder and awarded a death sentence for the same in October 2006.

 >> Prosecuting Modi in Gujarat would be as difficult as prosecuting Hafeez Saeed in Pakistan

Is anyone trying to prosecute Saeed in Pakistan ? 

Raghavan himself admits to the limited and circumscribed nature of his investigation when he said, " no evidence on the contents of the particular petition was available," suggesting that if there was evidence but it did not directly pertain to Zakia's petition, the SIT ignored it!

Bala,

Bringing in Mohammed or Ram in this discussion is stupid. This discussion of course has communal undertones, but it is not a religious argument.

>> Prosecuting Modi in Gujarat would be as difficult as prosecuting Hafeez Saeed in Pakistan

 Muslims saying they love India above religion will be like saying Mohammed was real

Prosecuting Modi in Gujarat would be as difficult as prosecuting Hafeez Saeed in Pakistan!

Outlook has offered a class on bias Reporting 101, judge for yourself.

Version by Times of India:
SIT gives clean chit to Modi in Gujarat riot case
"According to SIT, no offence has been established against
any of the 58 persons listed in Zakia's complaint," metropolitan magistrate
M S Bhatt said in his order on Tuesday.

Outlook Version of same news:
No Prosecutable Evidence Against Modi in SIT Report:
The Supreme Court-appointed Special Investigation Team has
found no evidence against Chief Minister Narendra Modi and 57
others in the complaint filed against them by Zakia Jafri
in the 2002 Gujarat riots, a Magisterial court said today.

Can’t wait to see (read in Ooulook) the heartburn Saba Naqvi will be having on the SIT report outcome! She will have list of problems with SIT investigation, just like she had with Allahabad HC decision on Babari Masjid case. They pick and choose the court decisions!

 It is nobodies case that Modi was directly involved in the sense that he personally stabbed or raped or set anyone afire. Very glad that so much of tax payers money has been used to enrich Raghavans and Nanavatis of the world. Long live legalities. In our country agriculture is in distress . Farmers are leaving villages and migrating to cities. I think they should all take to law. There will always be victims and litigations and no punishment in the lifetime of offenders. See HKL Bhagat is dead. To know that once upon a time the legal fraternity led the freedom struggle! 

Modi is as innocent as Osama bin Laden. Did any enquiry commission ever establish that Osama was pilotting any of the planes that crashed on 9/11 ? Osama got his just deserts. Modi too will. Everyone knows about the orders given to Police on the day before the massacre. If Nanavati was the judge in Nuremberg trials and Raghavan the prosecuting authority, Hitler would have got a clean chit. See what sort of people become CBI chiefs. 

May be Justice Katju will comment on the calibre of some of the judges.

Supreme Court had foreseen all this (clean chit etc). That is why they had appointed Raju Ramachandran as amicus curae and  ruled that in the event of a closure report the petitioners will have to be heard. And the petitioners have the option of going to higher courts all the way upto the Supreme court. We the people of India, salute the petitioners and others who are not just fighting for justice for the victims but also are contributing to building of strong institutions so that henceforth  their past is no one's future.

You must be one hell of a jerk, Irreverant.Dont have it in me to stoop as low as you do.U are no different to likes of Hafiz Saeed and co.They stand exposed but jerks like you vitiate all norms of decency in a debate.

The fact is these jokers seeking justice must know that you take whats given or otherwise quit.If Indian Muslims feel they have a future in India,honestly with so many like Irrevrent Indian on the streets they better stop dreaming.Start living.No place for sanity in India.

Nothing will come out of spending years probing ,isnt 84 and so many riots in the past not enough proof.

All jihadis went hiding in their holes?

 when will court wake up and stop entertaining these frivolous cases against modi and stop teesta and others from wasting precious time? also they should be made to pay heavy fines.

>> "According to SIT, no offence has been established against any of the 58 persons listed in Zakia's complaint"

This is what happens (and should happen) when your FIRs change the names of the accused.

@ Wrong One

>> "SIT hasnt found Modi"s direct invollvment in Gulbarg Massacare....."

SIT could not find any evidence of even 'indirect' involvement. Every fable that you heard was a creation of sickular creativity.

>> "Zakia must have felt let down by Modi in not coming to the rescue of her husband." - Wrong One

Oh yes moron!! Tens of thousands were on the streets on rampage all across the state. Modi should have been running helter-skelter saving everyone's husband. But, it is heartening to see the sickular band-wagon to expect Modi to achieve what the 130-odd policemen at Gulbarga Society could not. Even his worst detractors seem to find Modi capable to extraordinary things.

But, Gujarat wasn't a superhero movie, and Modi wasn't a Superman. Too bad!!

 "In the court of the Lord above....

This is becoming too much of a drama. I am beginning to completely loose my sympathy for this woman. 

To come to the point Zakia, your lord does not have jurisdiction over us. Motion denied !

We have too many judges/eyewitness in this forum...when Modi is given clean chit "judiciary has failed" .... If any remarks are passed then the same "judiciary has passed in first class with distinction"... Poor fellow Modi he is in news for all reasons...

SIT hasnt found Modi"s direct invollvment in Gulbarg Massacare,to think so was foolish.The old Widow must be disappointed on the verdict,having seen savagery before her eyes and her man bieng killed Zakia must have felt let down by Modi in not coming to the rescue of her husband.

In a situation as unprecedented as the one during post Godhra riots the police response was muted.Even if the Gujrat police are exonerated for Gulbarg,there is no way Gujrat police can claim immunity when violence continued for days and even months after Godhra and a Particular community was targetted repeatedly.

We hear that those accused of carnage are bieng brought to book,Zakia must seek solace in it.Let justice be delivered as in case of Sabarmati carnage.Sikhs are waiting as the Christians in Kandhamal as well.

Modi can claim he got justice for bieng implicated falsely ,victims of violence also have the very same right to justice

No offence established against Vinod Mehta in Gujarat riots.  Would he consider that as 'Clean Chit'?

" My faith in judiciary is now gone."

You can move to China or Pakistan where you can verdict that suits your biased mind. In India, unfortunately for you, judiciary will look at the evidence to make its decision.

 Intreresting headline by outlook. 

Everybody's heart should go out to Ms. Jaffrey.  After enduring unspeakable tragedy 10 years ago, hollows in her heart has been played by Teesta and company like a flute for ten years just so they keep on getting funds from Desh Ke Dushmano.  Then again, it seems Ms. Jaffrey is not giving up.  She will continue to give her mind and body to Teesta to play some more.  She is hell bent on making Teesta very rich.

NDTV already has started giving its spin to the whole thing. This is what it reported:

The petitioners now pin their hopes on the independent findings in the case of amicus curiae Raju Ramachandran, who has reportedly contradicted the SIT to contend that there is evidence enough to prosecute Mr Modi under some sections of the law. Ms Setalvad said she hoped that the amicus' report was part of the documents submitted by the SIT in court.

Mr Modi faces accusations of conspiracy not just from Ms Jafri, but also from two senior police officers of that time. One, Sanjiv Bhatt, has claimed before court that he was part of two crucial law and order meetings in which the Chief Minister ordered the police to go slow on rioters when communal rioting began after 59 passengers, mostly kar sevaks returning from Ayodhya, were killed in the Godhra train burning incident of February 28, 2002. A former Gujarat Director General of Police RB Sreekumar too reportedly made such a claim before an inquiry commission. Over a 1000 Muslims were killed across Gujarat in the post-Godhra communal riots.

No Offence Established Against Modi in SIT Report: Court
PTI | Ahmedabad | Apr 10, 2012
 

It is temporary relief for Modi and temporary setback for Zakia Jafri,the complainant.She could still file the protest petition before the same court,in case, there is any conflict in report of SIT and that of Amicus Curiae.This legal remedy is still open to her.But,she has to wait for a month as per court's directions.

My heart,however, goes out to Zakia Jaafri and her family for the sufferings it has undergone during the past one decade.I wish she gets justice ultimately. Insha Allah!

Any discussion of merit of court's orders at this stage would be premature and  tantamount to contempt of court until the complainant receives the documents including the SIT report and the report of SC appointed Amicus Curiae.

We have to wait for the final judgement of the competent court, whatever  be it !

A K SAXENA (A retired civil servant)

Some in meda are already crying hoarse that Modi will use this report for electoral gains as if the other side would have quietly sat home meditating in case the report was against Modi.

We would have been hearing cries to hang Modi in the 9 o'clock news shows if there was even an iota gainst him in the report.Now the conclusion will be: Lets wait for the court to announce results.SIT was not important in any case.

The next thing we will hear is that the complainants/media anchors have no faith in the judiciary too.

Waiting to see how NDTV spins it into an anti Mody story.

Gujarat Riots: (Gujarat District and Sessions) Court Convicts 23 for Ode Massacre

Vs.

SIT Finds No Evidence Against Modi in '02 Riots

And I thought Gujarat courts were controlled by Modi, Sanghis, and Bajrangis and SIT was more "secular"??? What happened Teesta Ben???

IF only TS had an inkling of this outcome, she would have manufactured SIT report. Now what ? Will she approach international court of justice ? UNHRC ?

OUTLOOK is embarrass to write this report which goes against their pseudo secular anti Modi bashing idea.Shame on you,the editor of OUTLOOK not to give proper HEADLINE.Looks like OUTLOOK is offended by this report.

 You are very biased & shameless people .Your headline should have been' NO EVIDENCE FOUND AGAINST MODI'.But headline is something else.

Journalism Ke Naam par Badnuma Daag hain Aap Log.

 Does Zakia Jafferey now realize how she has been taken for a ride by the sickular bigots?

Why is the Outlook silent on the fact that Modi has been given a clean chit by the SIT?

The SIT told the court of Metropolitan Magistrate MS Bhatt that no offence had been established against any of the 58 accused including Modi named by Zakia. '

Now that is the Report
.Await marsia singers' Rudali Rudan

Reacting to the SIT exonerating Modi in the Gulbarg Society massacre case, Setalvad said that it was a huge disappointment. "We were certainly expecting more from the report. The entire exercise has been carried out from 2002 and now the judiciary has failed," said Setalvad.

Mam you did just one basic mistake .You should have asked for and Central Govt would have allotted you gladly Justice Banerjee .You should not have gone to SC to appoint a SIT under Court's own supervision. This was the fatal mistake in your strategy as once you go to SC then it will give the truth and truth only .Naturally SC and its appointed SIT can't give you the biased findings which you people eanestly yearn for.

Sure Judiciary has failed to satisfy your illegal demands not maintainable in the Law.

Remember how effortlessly your Perry Mason Banerjee tore apart all smoke cum smog encircling of burning of the Bogie at Godhra by Signal Falia Muslim mob . The new Dawn appeared with a wonderful Theory that Karsevaks burnt themselves to start 2002 Riots.

" now the judiciary has failed," said Setalvad. "

Phir Insaaf nahin hua .SIT galat thi !

Fate has been extremely cruel to the secular propagandists and the jihadis. After a short lived web poll victory over Modi, they get this!!

The less said about this SIT , the better it is ?

Also, one cannot miss Outlook's choice for the headline.

Dear god! Now we will have to bear uncontrollable squeals of the seculars and the jihadis together.

 outlook where is the headline that says, SIT gives clean cheat to Modi?

all media must be crying now. poor fellas, their roji-roti pe laath maari SIT ne.