Sangeetha,

>>  if the historicity of Rama Setu is proven, then it should be a historical national monument for its sheer antiquity.

If it is proven that Ram Setu is a man-made bridge, not only would it qualify to be a national monumnet, but it would have to be listed as the Eighth Wonder of the Ancient World.

Bowenpalle,

>>  stones used to build by Vanaras ... are actually cut by sharp instruments out of a fossile island which could have been existing somewhere where near at the time.

According to Eduard Suess the friable calcerous ridges are broken into large rectangular blocks, which perhaps gave rise to the belief that the causeway is an artificial construction. According to V. Ram Mohan of the Centre of Natural Hazards and Disaster Studies of the University of Madras "reconstruction of the geological evolution of the island chain is a challenging task."

#24/D-128 @Sangeeta "What horse dung, Mr.EVR"

Let him be. Let him have his xxxx. He is more to be pitied than censured.

What horse dung, Mr.EVR !!!

Ravana was a brahmin, son of Vaisrava ! Period. In the SundaraKanda too, while describing Lanka, it is said that there were vedic chantings everywhere through out the day. Buddhists/nihilists or reference to them appears only in Rama's interaction with Sage Jabali during Rama's exile at the end of Ayodhya Kanda. This was agreed upon by scholars to be a later interpolation as were the Bala and Uttara Kandas

Why the hell is everyone addressing each other by  "Mr." ???
Mr. doesnt go very well with names such as Anwaar ...

Aha ! Only those which have architectural/historic value should qualify to be national monuments. Fine, if the historicity of Rama Setu is proven, then it should be a historical national  monument for its sheer antiquity. Whats wrong in it? And extending this argument, perhaps we should bury harappan civlization findings !

Qawwat-ul-Islam ,which means "might of Islam" mosque, is located in delhi

Coming to Mahabalipuram, someone had completely forgotten that among the five "rathas", three of them host SomaSkanda panels with places for shivlings. And who would determine if they are aesthetic or not or deserve the status of national monument? Luckily we have eminents in our archaeological departments and not crackpots or commie historians ! What luck 

Sethusamudram project is a conspiracy to finish Hindu's greatest manument and those who proposed it and those who conceived it very well knew the truth that it was man made. It was made under the orders of RAM.

Rama's "varadhi" or as British called it "Adams bridge" is man made. According to one opinion of an expert of Archeological survey of India which I read , the lower big boulders are finely cut and they will float in the sea water if the upper heavy boulders of this bridge are removed. 

What he was saying was that the stones used to build by Vanaras ( Vanaras are not exactly monkeys because they had excellent faculty of speech,education and had a kingdom of their own , "Kishkinda" in the forests ) are actually cut by sharp instruments out of a fossile island which could have been existing somewhere where near at the time . It seems an island was cut to make the bridge.  And after they cut a big fossile stone off from the island , they moved or pushed these great boulders on the water surface because naturally they floated. Since that was the case, they had to put real ,heavy boulders above these to keep them from floating.

In Ramayana , orginal, Valmiki described that these stones were written with the word "RAM" so that they could float. Valmiki said there were more than 10 million Vanaras worked hard for one and half year to build the bridge.

Nakula, the great architect had designed ,supervised and executed the project. ( Karunanidhi had phoophed the idea of Ram's bridge because , according to him ,Lord Ram was not an engineer !!! and how could  he had built it ? ). But Karuna nidhi did not study even up to 6th class ,then how come did he work as Chief Minister ??? 

Wether it is a question of "astha" ( faith) or not, once a scientific survey is conducted for the record, it should be immediately declared as a national manument for its protection from predators in the future. The word "Hindu" was not coined or not used at the time when this great "varadhi" or bridge was constructed. Lord Rama or Krishna never declared themselves strictly as "hindus" nor any other religion existed at the time any where in the world. They belong to all Indians. They are great people of India and any relics which denote them must be declared as national manuments.

Rajesh,

>>  the very first post was by the jihadi itself.

You and several others can be called sanghis based on your views, but there are no jihadis in this forum. There are jihadis in some other forums who are as hateful and vicious as yourself. Opposing RSS/Hindutva is not jihadism, except in the minds of some morons.

lol @ above E.V.R.Naiker, Chennai

way to go jihadi's brother. interestingly the very first post was by the jihadi itself, they can't stop themselves to get into news.

" Nobody is trying to make national icons out of or dedicate national monuments to Buddha, Mahavir, Guru Nanak or Kabir. Only the RSS has such an agenda."\

Get over your RSS phobia. You need to see a doctor. 

>> Nobody is trying to make national icons out of or dedicate national monuments to Buddha, Mahavir, Guru Nanak or Kabir

Think Mayawati didn't get your memo.

Maha,

Nobody is trying to make national icons out of or dedicate national monuments to  Buddha, Mahavir, Guru Nanak or Kabir. Only the RSS has such an agenda.

" Ram has always been an important part of the rich Hindu culture. It is the new RSS/Hindutva agenda to make him a national icon"

May I ask what is wrong with it ? He is part of hindu culture which is part of national culture. Not only Ram, but also likes Buddha, Mahavir, Guru Nanak all are national icons. So does muslim saints like Kabir. It is ugly pseudo-secular agenda to smear anything that is hindu as kosher. 

Pradeep Singh,

>> Are you familiar with the concept of cultural heritage of a nation.

I am.  Ram has always been an important part of the rich Hindu culture. It is the new RSS/Hindutva agenda to make him a national icon. As I have said several times before, the RSS/Hindutva brigade will destroy Hinduism, just as the Islamists are a blot on Islam.

 Mr Anwar

Are you familiar with the concept of cultural heritage of a nation as opposed to religious heritage. Perhaps  you do not  because Islam does not allow for any concept other than religion. Do you think Bharat existed before the Islamic invasion?

Your deeply insensitive comments about a matter so close to the heart of a people who are still the majority in this land in spite of the expansionist Islam and Christianity and because of whose catholic and generous traditions your secularism thrives unlike in the Land f the Pure created in the name of Islam, betray a bigoted closet jihadi mind.

No mosque or mausoleum of saints should be a national monument. There is no saint buried in the Taj Mahal. I do not know anything about the Qawwalt-ul-Islam mosque, but old buildings that highlight architectural achievements (or are of historical significance) such as the Taj Mahal, St. Paul's Cathedral in London, Khajuraho Temples or Mahabalipuram Rathas certainly are appropriately designated as national monuments.

Ram is a revered Hindu icon. Attempts to secularize Ram are short-sighted. Making Ramsetu a Hindu monument is no small honour. If experts on architecture declare it to be a unique architectural achievement (and not a natural ridge formation), we can designate it as a national monument.

I did not pick the word "mythological". The news wire itself uses the phrase "the mythological Ram Setu". 

Following the coalition-dharma, Center will eventually reject it.

>> Shoudn't the mythological Ram Setu, said to have been built by Lord Rama's army of monkeys and bears to the demon king Ravana's kingdom Lanka, be a Hindu monument rather than a national monument?

Shouldn't Taj Mahal buuld by  a man  who

1)  married mumtaz as his 4 th wife out of 7 wives

2)  killed mumtaz'a husband to marry her

3) had 13 babies with mumtaz. she died on her 14th delivery

4)then married mumtaz sister

be called  muslim wonder rather than a Indian/world wonder?

>> Shoudn't the mythological Ram Setu, said to have been built by Lord Rama's army of monkeys and bears to the demon king Ravana's kingdom Lanka, be a Hindu monument rather than a national monument?

Shouldn't Taj Mahal buuld by  a man  who

1)  married mumtaz as his 4 th wife out of 7 wives

2)  killed mumtaz'a husband to marry her

3) had 13 babies with mumtaz. she died on her 14th delivery

4)then married mumtaz sister

be called  muslim wonder rather than a Indian/world wonder?

 "When Qawwalt-ul-Islam mosque, which was built from the ruins of 27 hindu and jain temples that were destroyed, can be declared a national monument, why not Rama Setu (if it wasnt just mythological ) a national monument ?"

Great question. And the answer is obvious. It is the result of Nehruvian secularism. Anything hindu can be traduced. Anthing Islamic is national treasure. 

 Mr Kautilya

The fundamental problem is that we are trying to interpret Indian concepts using western phrases. This is a legacy of hundreds of years of colonial rule. Ram can not be understood using the model of linear history. 

I would strongly recommend you read Anand Kumaraswamy who has dealt with such matters in great depth.

Regards.

 @PRADIP SINGH Ram lives in the hearts of the people

You are missing the whole point. Lord Ram is a Citizen of this great nation and his property (birth place, places where he lived and touched) are naturally national monuments. 

As opposed to that,mythological gods worshipped by those who seem to be struggling with the thought of a Ram Setu (Allah, Christ etc.) are only non-resident aliens in this country and do not have property rights in India. 

If you ask me, all historic mosques are mythological structures - just by the fact that we do not know quite who built them for sure (just do not be naive and tell me that you can quote history). Especially those which have been built by the invaders should not be recognized buiildings in the first place. 

For Abrahamic/monotheistic religions, it is fashionable to call other religions based on mythology, while they themselves have no effing clue about their gods' existence. Being a secular Hindu, you just have to forgive them unless they cross paths with you and become a nuisance. 

 Mr Anwar

Would you care to explain what you mean by the phrase 'mythological'? You presumably meant something that was just made up or fictitious or just pure superstition.

Sir, as long as Ram lives in the hearts of the people, he is as real as you are. Perhaps even more so. And his existence here and now is not dependent on certificates from people like you or the supreme court or Sonia or her servant MMS.

 Declaring Ramsetu a national monument would be a deeply communal act.

Who gave the Bharatiyas the right to expect respect for their cultural heritage in this deeply secular land parts of which have now taken to the Shariat as the basis of their statecraft?

 Mr Anwar

If you find it so difficult to comprehend that Ram is a national icon and Ramsetu is a national symbol just as St Paul's is in Britain,

then you should not be surprised about the perception about people like you using their liberal facade as part of a convenient strategy of the expansionist fascist global Islamic crusade.

When Qawwalt-ul-Islam mosque, which was built from the ruins of 27 hindu and jain temples that were destroyed, can be declared a national monument, why not Rama Setu (if it wasnt just mythological ) a national monument ?

Shoudn't the mythological Ram Setu, said to have been built by Lord Rama's army of monkeys and bears to the demon king Ravana's kingdom Lanka, be a Hindu monument rather than a national monument?
 

When Qawwalt-ul-Islam mosque, which was built from the ruins of 27 hindu and jain temples that were destroyed, can be declared a national monument, why not Rama Setu (if it wasnt just mythological ) a national monument ?

 Mr Anwar

If you find it so difficult to comprehend that Ram is a national icon and Ramsetu is a national symbol just as St Paul's is in Britain,

then you should not be surprised about the perception about people like you using their liberal facade as part of a convenient strategy of the expansionist fascist global Islamic crusade.

" Ram has always been an important part of the rich Hindu culture. It is the new RSS/Hindutva agenda to make him a national icon"

May I ask what is wrong with it ? He is part of hindu culture which is part of national culture. Not only Ram, but also likes Buddha, Mahavir, Guru Nanak all are national icons. So does muslim saints like Kabir. It is ugly pseudo-secular agenda to smear anything that is hindu as kosher. 

>> Shoudn't the mythological Ram Setu, said to have been built by Lord Rama's army of monkeys and bears to the demon king Ravana's kingdom Lanka, be a Hindu monument rather than a national monument?

Shouldn't Taj Mahal buuld by  a man  who

1)  married mumtaz as his 4 th wife out of 7 wives

2)  killed mumtaz'a husband to marry her

3) had 13 babies with mumtaz. she died on her 14th delivery

4)then married mumtaz sister

be called  muslim wonder rather than a Indian/world wonder?

 Mr Anwar

Are you familiar with the concept of cultural heritage of a nation as opposed to religious heritage. Perhaps  you do not  because Islam does not allow for any concept other than religion. Do you think Bharat existed before the Islamic invasion?

Your deeply insensitive comments about a matter so close to the heart of a people who are still the majority in this land in spite of the expansionist Islam and Christianity and because of whose catholic and generous traditions your secularism thrives unlike in the Land f the Pure created in the name of Islam, betray a bigoted closet jihadi mind.

 Declaring Ramsetu a national monument would be a deeply communal act.

Who gave the Bharatiyas the right to expect respect for their cultural heritage in this deeply secular land parts of which have now taken to the Shariat as the basis of their statecraft?

lol @ above E.V.R.Naiker, Chennai

way to go jihadi's brother. interestingly the very first post was by the jihadi itself, they can't stop themselves to get into news.

" Nobody is trying to make national icons out of or dedicate national monuments to Buddha, Mahavir, Guru Nanak or Kabir. Only the RSS has such an agenda."\

Get over your RSS phobia. You need to see a doctor. 

 "When Qawwalt-ul-Islam mosque, which was built from the ruins of 27 hindu and jain temples that were destroyed, can be declared a national monument, why not Rama Setu (if it wasnt just mythological ) a national monument ?"

Great question. And the answer is obvious. It is the result of Nehruvian secularism. Anything hindu can be traduced. Anthing Islamic is national treasure. 

 Mr Anwar

Would you care to explain what you mean by the phrase 'mythological'? You presumably meant something that was just made up or fictitious or just pure superstition.

Sir, as long as Ram lives in the hearts of the people, he is as real as you are. Perhaps even more so. And his existence here and now is not dependent on certificates from people like you or the supreme court or Sonia or her servant MMS.

Sethusamudram project is a conspiracy to finish Hindu's greatest manument and those who proposed it and those who conceived it very well knew the truth that it was man made. It was made under the orders of RAM.

Rama's "varadhi" or as British called it "Adams bridge" is man made. According to one opinion of an expert of Archeological survey of India which I read , the lower big boulders are finely cut and they will float in the sea water if the upper heavy boulders of this bridge are removed. 

What he was saying was that the stones used to build by Vanaras ( Vanaras are not exactly monkeys because they had excellent faculty of speech,education and had a kingdom of their own , "Kishkinda" in the forests ) are actually cut by sharp instruments out of a fossile island which could have been existing somewhere where near at the time . It seems an island was cut to make the bridge.  And after they cut a big fossile stone off from the island , they moved or pushed these great boulders on the water surface because naturally they floated. Since that was the case, they had to put real ,heavy boulders above these to keep them from floating.

In Ramayana , orginal, Valmiki described that these stones were written with the word "RAM" so that they could float. Valmiki said there were more than 10 million Vanaras worked hard for one and half year to build the bridge.

Nakula, the great architect had designed ,supervised and executed the project. ( Karunanidhi had phoophed the idea of Ram's bridge because , according to him ,Lord Ram was not an engineer !!! and how could  he had built it ? ). But Karuna nidhi did not study even up to 6th class ,then how come did he work as Chief Minister ??? 

Wether it is a question of "astha" ( faith) or not, once a scientific survey is conducted for the record, it should be immediately declared as a national manument for its protection from predators in the future. The word "Hindu" was not coined or not used at the time when this great "varadhi" or bridge was constructed. Lord Rama or Krishna never declared themselves strictly as "hindus" nor any other religion existed at the time any where in the world. They belong to all Indians. They are great people of India and any relics which denote them must be declared as national manuments.

Aha ! Only those which have architectural/historic value should qualify to be national monuments. Fine, if the historicity of Rama Setu is proven, then it should be a historical national  monument for its sheer antiquity. Whats wrong in it? And extending this argument, perhaps we should bury harappan civlization findings !

Qawwat-ul-Islam ,which means "might of Islam" mosque, is located in delhi

Coming to Mahabalipuram, someone had completely forgotten that among the five "rathas", three of them host SomaSkanda panels with places for shivlings. And who would determine if they are aesthetic or not or deserve the status of national monument? Luckily we have eminents in our archaeological departments and not crackpots or commie historians ! What luck 

 @PRADIP SINGH Ram lives in the hearts of the people

You are missing the whole point. Lord Ram is a Citizen of this great nation and his property (birth place, places where he lived and touched) are naturally national monuments. 

As opposed to that,mythological gods worshipped by those who seem to be struggling with the thought of a Ram Setu (Allah, Christ etc.) are only non-resident aliens in this country and do not have property rights in India. 

If you ask me, all historic mosques are mythological structures - just by the fact that we do not know quite who built them for sure (just do not be naive and tell me that you can quote history). Especially those which have been built by the invaders should not be recognized buiildings in the first place. 

For Abrahamic/monotheistic religions, it is fashionable to call other religions based on mythology, while they themselves have no effing clue about their gods' existence. Being a secular Hindu, you just have to forgive them unless they cross paths with you and become a nuisance. 

>> Shoudn't the mythological Ram Setu, said to have been built by Lord Rama's army of monkeys and bears to the demon king Ravana's kingdom Lanka, be a Hindu monument rather than a national monument?

Shouldn't Taj Mahal buuld by  a man  who

1)  married mumtaz as his 4 th wife out of 7 wives

2)  killed mumtaz'a husband to marry her

3) had 13 babies with mumtaz. she died on her 14th delivery

4)then married mumtaz sister

be called  muslim wonder rather than a Indian/world wonder?

What horse dung, Mr.EVR !!!

Ravana was a brahmin, son of Vaisrava ! Period. In the SundaraKanda too, while describing Lanka, it is said that there were vedic chantings everywhere through out the day. Buddhists/nihilists or reference to them appears only in Rama's interaction with Sage Jabali during Rama's exile at the end of Ayodhya Kanda. This was agreed upon by scholars to be a later interpolation as were the Bala and Uttara Kandas

 Mr Kautilya

The fundamental problem is that we are trying to interpret Indian concepts using western phrases. This is a legacy of hundreds of years of colonial rule. Ram can not be understood using the model of linear history. 

I would strongly recommend you read Anand Kumaraswamy who has dealt with such matters in great depth.

Regards.

>> Nobody is trying to make national icons out of or dedicate national monuments to Buddha, Mahavir, Guru Nanak or Kabir

Think Mayawati didn't get your memo.

Following the coalition-dharma, Center will eventually reject it.

Sangeetha,

>>  if the historicity of Rama Setu is proven, then it should be a historical national monument for its sheer antiquity.

If it is proven that Ram Setu is a man-made bridge, not only would it qualify to be a national monumnet, but it would have to be listed as the Eighth Wonder of the Ancient World.

No mosque or mausoleum of saints should be a national monument. There is no saint buried in the Taj Mahal. I do not know anything about the Qawwalt-ul-Islam mosque, but old buildings that highlight architectural achievements (or are of historical significance) such as the Taj Mahal, St. Paul's Cathedral in London, Khajuraho Temples or Mahabalipuram Rathas certainly are appropriately designated as national monuments.

Ram is a revered Hindu icon. Attempts to secularize Ram are short-sighted. Making Ramsetu a Hindu monument is no small honour. If experts on architecture declare it to be a unique architectural achievement (and not a natural ridge formation), we can designate it as a national monument.

I did not pick the word "mythological". The news wire itself uses the phrase "the mythological Ram Setu". 

Shoudn't the mythological Ram Setu, said to have been built by Lord Rama's army of monkeys and bears to the demon king Ravana's kingdom Lanka, be a Hindu monument rather than a national monument?
 

Pradeep Singh,

>> Are you familiar with the concept of cultural heritage of a nation.

I am.  Ram has always been an important part of the rich Hindu culture. It is the new RSS/Hindutva agenda to make him a national icon. As I have said several times before, the RSS/Hindutva brigade will destroy Hinduism, just as the Islamists are a blot on Islam.

Maha,

Nobody is trying to make national icons out of or dedicate national monuments to  Buddha, Mahavir, Guru Nanak or Kabir. Only the RSS has such an agenda.

No mosque or mausoleum of saints should be a national monument. There is no saint buried in the Taj Mahal. I do not know anything about the Qawwalt-ul-Islam mosque, but old buildings that highlight architectural achievements (or are of historical significance) such as the Taj Mahal, St. Paul's Cathedral in London, Khajuraho Temples or Mahabalipuram Rathas certainly are appropriately designated as national monuments.

Ram is a revered Hindu icon. Attempts to secularize Ram are short-sighted. Making Ramsetu a Hindu monument is no small honour. If experts on architecture declare it to be a unique architectural achievement (and not a natural ridge formation), we can designate it as a national monument.

I did not pick the word "mythological". The news wire itself uses the phrase "the mythological Ram Setu". 

Rajesh,

>>  the very first post was by the jihadi itself.

You and several others can be called sanghis based on your views, but there are no jihadis in this forum. There are jihadis in some other forums who are as hateful and vicious as yourself. Opposing RSS/Hindutva is not jihadism, except in the minds of some morons.

Sangeetha,

>>  if the historicity of Rama Setu is proven, then it should be a historical national monument for its sheer antiquity.

If it is proven that Ram Setu is a man-made bridge, not only would it qualify to be a national monumnet, but it would have to be listed as the Eighth Wonder of the Ancient World.

Bowenpalle,

>>  stones used to build by Vanaras ... are actually cut by sharp instruments out of a fossile island which could have been existing somewhere where near at the time.

According to Eduard Suess the friable calcerous ridges are broken into large rectangular blocks, which perhaps gave rise to the belief that the causeway is an artificial construction. According to V. Ram Mohan of the Centre of Natural Hazards and Disaster Studies of the University of Madras "reconstruction of the geological evolution of the island chain is a challenging task."

Why the hell is everyone addressing each other by  "Mr." ???
Mr. doesnt go very well with names such as Anwaar ...

Sethusamudram project is a conspiracy to finish Hindu's greatest manument and those who proposed it and those who conceived it very well knew the truth that it was man made. It was made under the orders of RAM.

Rama's "varadhi" or as British called it "Adams bridge" is man made. According to one opinion of an expert of Archeological survey of India which I read , the lower big boulders are finely cut and they will float in the sea water if the upper heavy boulders of this bridge are removed. 

What he was saying was that the stones used to build by Vanaras ( Vanaras are not exactly monkeys because they had excellent faculty of speech,education and had a kingdom of their own , "Kishkinda" in the forests ) are actually cut by sharp instruments out of a fossile island which could have been existing somewhere where near at the time . It seems an island was cut to make the bridge.  And after they cut a big fossile stone off from the island , they moved or pushed these great boulders on the water surface because naturally they floated. Since that was the case, they had to put real ,heavy boulders above these to keep them from floating.

In Ramayana , orginal, Valmiki described that these stones were written with the word "RAM" so that they could float. Valmiki said there were more than 10 million Vanaras worked hard for one and half year to build the bridge.

Nakula, the great architect had designed ,supervised and executed the project. ( Karunanidhi had phoophed the idea of Ram's bridge because , according to him ,Lord Ram was not an engineer !!! and how could  he had built it ? ). But Karuna nidhi did not study even up to 6th class ,then how come did he work as Chief Minister ??? 

Wether it is a question of "astha" ( faith) or not, once a scientific survey is conducted for the record, it should be immediately declared as a national manument for its protection from predators in the future. The word "Hindu" was not coined or not used at the time when this great "varadhi" or bridge was constructed. Lord Rama or Krishna never declared themselves strictly as "hindus" nor any other religion existed at the time any where in the world. They belong to all Indians. They are great people of India and any relics which denote them must be declared as national manuments.